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Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 1496653)
So...when is this thing supposed to be published?
But, the initial came out yesterday and the final with class dates comes out on the 11th. |
Originally Posted by NoLightOff
(Post 1497061)
I have no dog in this fight but you guys realize that date of hire means very little in a SLI. Colgan pilots didn't ask for this and 07 Colgan hires went to Colgan before Q400s even existed there. Pinnacle came in with their horrible management and Colgan no longer exists because of it. So point all the fingers you want but it's not their fault. Also don't forget the 2008 Colgan hires that lost almost 30% seniority. I don't see them complaining.
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
(Post 1497061)
I have no dog in this fight but you guys realize that date of hire means very little in a SLI. Colgan pilots didn't ask for this and 07 Colgan hires went to Colgan before Q400s even existed there. Pinnacle came in with their horrible management and Colgan no longer exists because of it. So point all the fingers you want but it's not their fault. Also don't forget the 2008 Colgan hires that lost almost 30% seniority. I don't see them complaining.
Colgan To ensure every pilot would remain within 3 percent of their current pre- merger seniority rank, the Colgan pilots’ proposal creates 30 blocks, each containing 88 pilots from the three groups. Pilots would be placed within each block according to a ratio (1 Colgan to 2.5 Pinnacle to 2 Mesaba pilots), a ratio mirroring the size of the respective groups. Additionally, the Colgan group proposes that (1) no pilot be displaced from their position as a result of the integration and (2) any furloughs resulting from pre-July 1, 2010 scheduled fleet reductions be borne by the pre-July, 2010 pilot group. The Colgan representatives say the only reason there were not more furloughs by Mesaba was that Pinnacle Corporation, following the Mesaba purchase, transferred Colgan flying (for US Airways) to Mesaba Saabs at LaGuardia. In this way, says Colgan, Colgan Air helped save Mesaba jobs. The Colgan group seeks to retain to all pilots the type of bidding power they had at their pre-merger airlines. But this type of parity, an attempt to share the enhanced conditions more equally, is achieved at the demonstrable expense of Status and Category considerations, taken in light of reasonable pre-merger expectations. The overwhelming majority of Colgan pilots who, pre-merger, had career expectations limited to flying turboprop aircraft would, following the integration, achieve bidding power into aircraft and pay scales well beyond any that could have reasonably been contemplated prior to the merger. |
Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 1497068)
No not joking...I've looked on the website and have found nothing. Is it only posted in ops? If so, when will they post it online so I can see it? I won't be in ops for a while. Thanks!
If you don't see it listed there, I would clear the cache on your browser and try again. If that doesn't work pm me. |
Originally Posted by NoLightOff
(Post 1497061)
I have no dog in this fight but you guys realize that date of hire means very little in a SLI. Colgan pilots didn't ask for this and 07 Colgan hires went to Colgan before Q400s even existed there. Pinnacle came in with their horrible management and Colgan no longer exists because of it. So point all the fingers you want but it's not their fault. Also don't forget the 2008 Colgan hires that lost almost 30% seniority. I don't see them complaining.
So wether you were first or last on the Colgan list none of them have any right to complain, and especially the 2008 hires. Personally straight DOH would have been more then fair to that group. |
Originally Posted by PCLCREW
(Post 1497106)
If Pinnacle had not purchased Colgan they were going out of business... That's fact straight from Colgan, they had no money left.
So wether you were first or last on the Colgan list none of them have any right to complain, and especially the 2008 hires. Personally straight DOH would have been more then fair to that group. |
Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 1497068)
No not joking...I've looked on the website and have found nothing. Is it only posted in ops? If so, when will they post it online so I can see it? I won't be in ops for a while. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1497109)
The fraud ALPA committed on the TWA pilots led to McCaskill-Bond, which prevented you from getting anything other than an equipment merger, even though Colgan was an alter ego of 9E from 07-10.
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Originally Posted by Avroman
(Post 1497084)
odds are about 85% voted yes for this s-bag contract so yes I still blame them as well. Now a downgrade means you need a second income to support a family. And every other (see PSA, Eagle, ExpressJet) regional is being put in a position to match that crap.
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
(Post 1497190)
But does McCaskill-Bond apply to a Major with a regional?
Pinnacle is a worst case scenario, they got all of the Colgan pilots, but none of the Colgan airplanes. This could easily happen at a mainline if the union isn't careful. A separate union like SWAPA can craftily side step around it carefully, whereas ALPA has no choice due to ALPA merger policy. |
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