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Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 1496542)

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If that's the colgan consensus, I'd love it on the record.

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Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1496526)

First off u don't have a clue what ur talking about. 7 months off doesn't mean he jumped the fence it means he was displaced. And bragging about spending time with his family? That's the only glimmer of hope in this industry. Had he been bragging about getting high and playing video games that would be another story. Nice try 9e silver boy.

Oh I'm sorry... You're right, "displaced" to the CA seat of the 200 while at the same time pushing the guys in my new hire class and the guys who were hired before me back to the right seat. Look at how many pre merger 06 hire like Ken out of their CA seat while 07 pre merger Colgan get to stay get to stay as CA. 7 month vacation or time off, whatever you want to call it. This guy had another job lined up, and get to be with with his family every night, while collecting pay from Pinnacle. Once he came to the Pinnacle side, he had a good schedule and was bragging about to me during our 4 day trip. So you think it's ok for some ex Pinnacle FO who's been here almost 7 years and will never see an upgrade have to hear about stuff like this at work? I'm not saying it's the guy fault this happened, but we don't need to hear about how great he had it on a 4 day trip, at the same time guys like Ken are getting downgraded. Don't believe me? take a look at the last displacement.

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Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1496543)

If that's the colgan consensus, I'd love it on the record.

Pretty much.

I predict a massive exodus of FOs so severe the company will not survive. The dominoes have begun to fall. Very few downgraded CAs will stay. Attrition will out-pace aircraft returns and Delta will be forced to close the operation.

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Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1496537)

The point is that you have "moved on" and this topic is "Toxic". You could say the sky is blue, and it would be argued. Anyone starting with "7 months off" and then defended by "family" doesn't bode well. I asked my wife this question hypothetically, and she was livid for reference. Only the bottom 4-6 Pre-Merger CJC guys hold reserve currently, the rest hold lines, In the last few months to the tune of 14-18 days off depending on bid. This is great news, unless you see that pre-merger 9E guys are on reserve and now displaced to FO with 11 days off and far more longevity to the most junior LH.

This battle is about to go nuclear, as advice, I would avoid it and move on. Just $.02 knowing what is approaching.

Why does anyone still work for this airline? hasn't the writing been on the wall since you announced you're going from an airline with 181 planes / 2200 pilots to an airline with 81 planes / 810 pilots? how obvious could this be? I thought all you FOs voted for that crap so you could get you're 6000 bonus before you quit? you really actually think that endeavor is a place where you can one day upgrade?? you know there are 400 lifers at these combined airlines right? I've always thought most pilots are smart but this stuff makes me wonder.

What really makes no sense is that 2nd year pay at many other regional is close to max out pay at Endeavor. I really don't even understand what there is to ponder about, if you are flying the 200 or 900 seems that any regional would scoop you up without hesitation. I can see how a 6 or 7 year FO would just say F@ck it though im going down with the ship.

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Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 1496552)

I pray you are right!

anyone know what pinnacle's current attrition rate is? (number and seat)

The last I heard attrition is 18% for the year, when they had planned on 17%, so it's pretty much right on track according to the bean counters. In 2014, attrition is forcast to be 20% (some of the increase due to flows and SSP) and it looks like the first steps to ensuring that happens have started to take place. This 13-02 was supposed to balance out the Captains and First Officers and start forcing people over to the 900. However, I think it's just going to cause more FO's to leave, forcing further fleet reductions and downgrades to cover the right seat.

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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 1496581)

The last I heard attrition is 18% for the year, when they had planned on 17%, so it's pretty much right on track according to the bean counters. In 2014, attrition is forcast to be 20% (some of the increase due to flows and SSP) and it looks like the first steps to ensuring that happens have started to take place. This 13-02 was supposed to balance out the Captains and First Officers and start forcing people over to the 900. However, I think it's just going to cause more FO's to leave, forcing further fleet reductions and downgrades to cover the right seat.

Hmmm where have we seen this show before???? Oh that's right I saw this show when I lived in CVG. What was that place called, OH I wish I could remember.

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Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1496605)

Hmmm where have we seen this show before???? Oh that's right I saw this show when I lived in CVG. What was that place called, OH I wish I could remember.

Epic. True, yet epic.