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Old 12-11-2013, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot View Post
If Endeavor determined that only one was qualified / offered a job, and he / she accepted, then they are batting 100%.
You misread it. Only one person accepted the job when offered.
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Sounds about right. When Delta starts interviewing the former Gulfstream guys with no education, very few of them will probably get hired. The interviewers are probably extremely skeptical of the guys with no post high school education even if they are interviewing them below everyone else's qualifications. I am sure a few will get through just to give hope, but the majority probably will not.
They did hire one without a degree recently that I know of.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:24 PM
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They did hire one without a degree recently that I know of.
Why are the flows held to the standard of having a degree then? I would figure flows would be the exception not SSP candidates.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:08 PM
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Why are the flows held to the standard of having a degree then? I would figure flows would be the exception not SSP candidates.
Because of the wording of the flow.

Same reason Compass can flow without a degree.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:43 PM
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Because of the wording of the flow.

Same reason Compass can flow without a degree.
Interesting. I did not know that, thanks.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:56 PM
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I don't think it will take much to get people here though.

1. Offer SSP for new-hires
2. Add years to the FO pay cap
3. Give back 150% pickup

This will get butts in class.
I agree those three will attract more folks here. And I think #1 is coming. I got an email a few weeks ago inviting me to apply to Endeavor (not realizing I already work there...thought of having some fun with that but decided not to) and in the invite it stated that Endeavor would offer a path to Delta by offering a preferential interview. Now could that be a lie? Sure it can as the SSP only applies now to captains and those who were on property when the concessions went into effect. I'd like to think optimistically that they will extend the SSP to all and new hires. Now the SSP needs to work better than 50% job offer rate too or still no one will come here. As for #2 and #3, I hope you are right, but I think getting that back would be overly optimistic.
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067 View Post
So go work for Burger King. Have fun
I think guys at the top need to realize the value of more money at the start and compounded interest. Instead we have these j holes voting in huge pay at the top and accepting less at the bottom. It is all backwards in my opinion.
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:33 PM
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Why are the flows held to the standard of having a degree then? I would figure flows would be the exception not SSP candidates.
I don't know. They are breaking the language of the bridge/SSP agreement by doing so. It's ripe for a lawsuit if a 9E guy has the balls to go for it.
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:19 PM
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All the contract improvements we can think up won't mean squat unless there is visible movement in the senority list. They can extend the SSP to new hires all they want, but as long as the hiring is to stop the bleeding from the bottom it will never matter and I think the new hires will be smart enough to ask questions before they accept a position. Once they learn they have to be a CA for a year and that there are little to no upgrades then common sense will tell them that the SSP is worthless. I think we will have to show movement before anyone decides to come here or the firm announcement of keeping air frames needs to be made. I'm surprised the status-quo here has attracted anyone at all. Knowing what I know now, the only thing that would get me to come here (with the present status of our airline) over Compass would be a Delta senority number, which we all know won't happen. How they expect to hire with the most relevant public announcement being an 81 plane fleet is beyond me. The fact that they want to hire 400 tells me they have other plans in the works, but aren't going to make them public.

It doesn't matter how many people accept the job offer if they don't show up to class.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
They did hire one without a degree recently that I know of.
What was his background? Hopefully not high school to Gulfsteam to Pinnacle. Did he serve in the military?
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