No, because Pinnacle's requirements at that moment in time were listed on their webpage with a clear distinction that other options were available. It was public info. Where's the vault letter? Why isn't that public? Delta's website does not make any hints at pilots who accept concessions can come in without degrees.


Here's my proof:

Northwest Airlink :: Operated by Pinnacle Airlines Inc. (Northwest Airlink :: Operated by Pinnacle Airlines Inc.)

Minimum Hiring Requirements:

• 1000 hours total flight time (Preferred)
• 200 hours multi-engine time (Preferred)
• 100 hours instrument (max 20 hours simulator - Preferred)
• Part 121 Operation Experience (Preferred)
• Commercial pilot certificate with a multi-engine airplane and instrument rating
• ATP or ATP-Written
• Current First class medical with First Class Privileges
• Valid passport
• Valid driver's license
• FCC license
• Legally authorized to work in the United States
• Minimum age 21
• High school diploma



Applicants Please Note: If you do not meet these minimum requirements, check out CAE’s Jump Start course (a program designed for Pinnacle Airlines) which allows you an opportunity to get hired on as a First Officer with Pinnacle Airlines with lower minimum hours. Please visit CAE’s web page for more details.

Applicants Also Note: You may want to consider jumpstarting your aviation career with the Jet University First Officer Program. There is no faster, more efficient or cost effective way to launch your professional airline career. Please visit Jet University’s web page for more details.

 

Why do you have that page saved? Delete it. Let it go man. It was a good move to bail out of the mess known as Endeavor. Stop coming back to the regional forums. It should feel great to not have to worry about that ****show anymore.

 

Lol, you're so funny man!

I'm going to have coffee with a couple of my Northwest buddies and have a good ole laugh!

 

If a survey was taken of the top 10% of Delta Pilots, I believe there would be dozen or more who do not have a college degree.

 

Ftroop, what is your analysis of Endeavor right now?

 

O boy here we go.

 

Endeavor needs to get past the C.R.I.S.I.S. status on APC threads. With a few vocal committed detractors, that seems unlikely. Coffee, Rumor, Innuendo, Speculation,Inference and Scandal is their methodology. Coupled with a heavy dose of emotional knee jerk reactions and statements that are nothing more than "glittering generalities," and implied threats, the only saving grace for Endeavor is that many of the demeaning comments are now being aimed at other regionals such as PSA.

That ends the BS part of this missive. Now what will happen at Endeavor ?

In my OPINION the Legacy airlines that own Regional Airlines will eventually blend (staple if you want) the two together. The regionals are no longer the little prop airplanes that fly folks into hubs from the hinterland. In some cases the regional airplanes are more sophisticated (technically complicated) then some of the legacy equipment. Certainly many of the routes are no longer "regional."

From a management standpoint redundancy (two airlines) of HR, Management, Maintenance , etc. is expensive . Centralized control is loss and the possibility of lower safety standards is a threat.

Now that the majors are hiring it seems redundant to interview / screen applicants for the regional then interview / screen those same applicants for the major/ legacy. An airline is a "social entity" with published standards, and for lack of a better word - an "ethos (character) " I would rather advance an employee who has lived for six to eight with that ethos, safety standards, training and screening (simulators) then take a chance on hiring a stranger from another company.

Now the pundits will say, "Some of the regional pilots are not qualified to go to the majors - no college degree, etc. " My response is how can a CRJ900 Captain with no degree not be qualified to be a 717 first officer ? The degree is a screening tool (during hiring) and has nothing to do with flying airplanes. Back in the 60s when a majority of airline pilots had been WWII pilots you will find the majority of them had gone through the Aviation Cadet program and had no college education.

It would have to start with fences and stapling. I used the word blend earlier. It will take time and more then a few "below standard" pilots will fall to the side in the upgrade / training process. Eventually the former regional pilots will mostly be "major" FOs and many former major FOs will be CRJ/ERJ captains. Pay scales will have to be renegotiated.

I believe this is Delta's eventual goal for Endeavor. IF the pilot shortage becomes worse the process will be accelerated.

My personal thanks to MrMustache for educating me. I had no idea who "Fanboy" was until I Googled it. I do know however what it's like being shot at. I love popcorn.

 

Ummm, ok. One person makes a reasonable post, the other a non sequitur. Do you even know FTroop's credentials????

 

Has anyone seen this "vault letter" ? To the best of my knowledge, Delta denies it's existence. How does your association enforce an agreement that no one has seen? Has it's alleged terms been violated thus far in the recruitment process? How would one know?

Honest question ... not being a smart alec.

 

Why do we have Doctors? Why do we have added requirements to be members of the Bar? Nurse Practitioners, in my experience, are better diagnosticians because they take more time with "their patient." Lawyers used to have no entry requirements other than Bar Exam passage.

Could a CRJ Captain out fly a WWII Cadet? It isn't truly a valid point. Many WWII Cadets were unable to find jobs in aviation due to their lack of education.

Restrictions which limit the pool of qualified applicants result in less supply, which drives up demand and prices. While a Nurse Practitioner is worth $75K to $90K (around here) Doctors routinely earn $125K to $250 for the same skill set. If the Doctor further specializes into something highly technical, like anesthesiology, they can be worth $350K to $500K.

Could you or I do that job with a good database and some decent technical training? Sure. But, is that how the World works?

Where I come from a $180,000 a year job is still a big deal. It is worth the effort to prepare oneself for that opportunity. As professionals, one path to increase pay is to increase the minimum entry requirements. Management wants to lower costs and lower the standards to hold this position. They would hire $10 an hour rampers to fly airplanes, if they could. ALPA harmed this profession with the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement. Lee Moak (although I admire much of what he has done) and Capt. Wychor worked to lower standards in this profession.

and if you think I'm wrong, Southwest is an excellent airline.