9E (Endeavor) or BK
12-13-2013 | 04:45 PM
#91
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Easy... The FO with the degree, because the FO meets all of the Delta Air Lines posted requirements. The 10 year CA never had any intentions or desire to work at Delta, because he/she never took the time in 10 years during off time, overnights, vacation, ect ect.. to obtain a published requirement from, at the very least, an online university.
12-13-2013 | 04:59 PM
#92
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IB I answered your original question. If you are really asking who is a better pilot in general, then its no question the 10 year CA. I may have read too much into your question. This is my opinion, so with that and $1.50 you can buy a Coke. Filejw my masters degree says the question specified as to who is a better pilot for Delta. If one does not meet published requirements, then one will never work there. Is that not how your masters degree interpreted it?
12-13-2013 | 05:27 PM
#94
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We cant tell who is a better pilot looking at paper and numbers. I have flown with guys that should not be flying.
12-13-2013 | 07:36 PM
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My MBA has done nothing for me yet except teach me how to run my own business and thoroughly understand it. I still pound it on so it didn't do much for my flying skills, lol. FWIW I hear Delta loooooves it so if I could only get an upgrade and make this SSP work for me.
12-13-2013 | 08:51 PM
#96
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Has anyone seen this "vault letter" ? To the best of my knowledge, Delta denies it's existence. How does your association enforce an agreement that no one has seen? Has it's alleged terms been violated thus far in the recruitment process? How would one know?
Honest question ... not being a smart alec.
Honest question ... not being a smart alec.
12-13-2013 | 08:53 PM
#97
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Why do we have Doctors? Why do we have added requirements to be members of the Bar? Nurse Practitioners, in my experience, are better diagnosticians because they take more time with "their patient." Lawyers used to have no entry requirements other than Bar Exam passage.
Could a CRJ Captain out fly a WWII Cadet? It isn't truly a valid point. Many WWII Cadets were unable to find jobs in aviation due to their lack of education.
Restrictions which limit the pool of qualified applicants result in less supply, which drives up demand and prices. While a Nurse Practitioner is worth $75K to $90K (around here) Doctors routinely earn $125K to $250 for the same skill set. If the Doctor further specializes into something highly technical, like anesthesiology, they can be worth $350K to $500K.
Could you or I do that job with a good database and some decent technical training? Sure. But, is that how the World works?
Where I come from a $180,000 a year job is still a big deal. It is worth the effort to prepare oneself for that opportunity. As professionals, one path to increase pay is to increase the minimum entry requirements. Management wants to lower costs and lower the standards to hold this position. They would hire $10 an hour rampers to fly airplanes, if they could. ALPA harmed this profession with the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement. Lee Moak (although I admire much of what he has done) and Capt. Wychor worked to lower standards in this profession.
and if you think I'm wrong, Southwest is an excellent airline.
Could a CRJ Captain out fly a WWII Cadet? It isn't truly a valid point. Many WWII Cadets were unable to find jobs in aviation due to their lack of education.
Restrictions which limit the pool of qualified applicants result in less supply, which drives up demand and prices. While a Nurse Practitioner is worth $75K to $90K (around here) Doctors routinely earn $125K to $250 for the same skill set. If the Doctor further specializes into something highly technical, like anesthesiology, they can be worth $350K to $500K.
Could you or I do that job with a good database and some decent technical training? Sure. But, is that how the World works?
Where I come from a $180,000 a year job is still a big deal. It is worth the effort to prepare oneself for that opportunity. As professionals, one path to increase pay is to increase the minimum entry requirements. Management wants to lower costs and lower the standards to hold this position. They would hire $10 an hour rampers to fly airplanes, if they could. ALPA harmed this profession with the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement. Lee Moak (although I admire much of what he has done) and Capt. Wychor worked to lower standards in this profession.
and if you think I'm wrong, Southwest is an excellent airline.
TW must be kicking himself right now for selling out, too.
12-13-2013 | 09:29 PM
#98
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You need to reread the SSP. You can apply to Delta without using SSP as a Endeavor pilot. The latest memo even said that when you fill out your app, email them and tell them you would like to be considered outside of SSP as an off the street. Why would you have to quit to apply??? that makes zero sense.
"oh you work for Endeavor, just wait for your turn in line to flow" (since they apparently don't necessarily understand the nuance of guaranteed interview vs automatic class date.
The other thing is, we have this nifty "one day" interview for eligible pilots in seniority order. If I manage to get a call as part of the group of Endeavor guys who don't meet the "current CA" requirement, I have to do the full 2 day. Might as well be an off the street hire...
12-13-2013 | 09:51 PM
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IB I answered your original question. If you are really asking who is a better pilot in general, then its no question the 10 year CA. I may have read too much into your question. This is my opinion, so with that and $1.50 you can buy a Coke. Filejw my masters degree says the question specified as to who is a better pilot for Delta. If one does not meet published requirements, then one will never work there. Is that not how your masters degree interpreted it?
Swamp answered the question in the appropriate manner. We cannot judge a pilot for being better simply because they have more time or TPIC or a degree. The fact of the matter remains that Delta requires a 4-year college degree. Nothing else should matter. Does the pilot have a 4 year degree, 1200 total time, and 1000 turbine SIC/PIC? If so, this person is qualified for a job at Delta. A 10 year CA at a regional with 4000 TPIC and no degree is not qualified for Delta. It doesn't matter who is a "better" pilot, he simply isn't qualified for Delta per the minimum requirements.
12-14-2013 | 05:01 AM
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From: Captain Jack
Word on the street from those who attended recent job fairs that Delta attended is:
"oh you work for Endeavor, just wait for your turn in line to flow" (since they apparently don't necessarily understand the nuance of guaranteed interview vs automatic class date.
The other thing is, we have this nifty "one day" interview for eligible pilots in seniority order. If I manage to get a call as part of the group of Endeavor guys who don't meet the "current CA" requirement, I have to do the full 2 day. Might as well be an off the street hire...
"oh you work for Endeavor, just wait for your turn in line to flow" (since they apparently don't necessarily understand the nuance of guaranteed interview vs automatic class date.
The other thing is, we have this nifty "one day" interview for eligible pilots in seniority order. If I manage to get a call as part of the group of Endeavor guys who don't meet the "current CA" requirement, I have to do the full 2 day. Might as well be an off the street hire...
