Chupacabras

Movement at the regionals can only come if there is additional hiring to the tune of hundreds of pilots per year at 9E. "doom and bloomers", try im a realist and know that there aren't enough new FO out there that want to work for poverty wages like there once were. Moving people off the top of the list without replacing them with fresh meat won't cause movement, only shrinking.

jethikoki

Yes ALPA has a duty to be equal but it does not. It allows mainline pilots advantages over regional pilots. It has yet to be shown when a major buys a regional the outcome is positive for the regional pilots, I hope I am wrong. (SSP is NOT considered positive and I agree 100% what you say on it) We fly the same airspace and similar equipment or at least cockpits are similar. There is not a great divide between equipment like 20 or so years ago where most mainline heads still appear to be. I think you stated before about whose job ALPA considered to be protected and whose is unprotected. Is that fair and equal representation or who has the most money and influence over those that do not?

Seems like the system we have and ALPA supports is the majors can buy any or all the regionals and throw all the pilots to the streets and thats ok. After what AA did to TWA you cannot do that to another major. Is ALPA going to correct this and give us equal treatment?

ShyGuy

????????? It sounds like your beef is the fact that you didn't get merged into Delta Air Line's pilot seniority list when they bought into PNCL. It should be obvious that was never going to happen.

Past V1

Did anyone else see the last edition of "Endeavor Matters". Here is a portion worth some interest.

"Lastly, Resource Planning has begun work on the next realignment which is primarily designed to cover the loss of pilots flowing outward, primarily to Delta. The notice will be posted either just before the holidays or immediately after. No displacements are planned in this notice and it is anticipated that there will be captain upgrade awards to replace those pilots."

Looks like some of those downgraded will be moving right back up. Hopefully this trend continues...

jethikoki

At 57 YO doesn't matter going to a major or mainline. No beef with you DAL or mainline pilots. Just don't approve of the ongoing discriminatory practices ALPA and mainline allows against regionals. The mainline and majors as a whole are important. Individually my job and others at the regionals are important to build time and move on or pay for their families etc. I understood your argument about different equipment however my point is we should get the same treatment regardless if your in the SAME union. If companies don't like or want that then don't buy other companies.

The only way to prove or make my point is to make an "impossibility" possible and have a regional buy a major and then see what happens. Not trying to go the Com Air route but lets say an airline is only flying the 717 or a DC 9. Is there really that much difference except for a few more seats? Why should a major airlines job be protected and a regional pilots be unprotected? Again I do not promote what Com Air did but I also don't promote what DAL was allowed to do to their pilots.

Mesabah

ALPA discriminates against junior pilots period, most so at the mainline. I have friends who are mainline pilots that had almost 10 year furloughs. This is completely unacceptable when you realize that ALPA took a weak stance on scope during the bankruptcies, simply to protect itself from a lawsuit, that it lost anyway.(TWA)

Lone Palm

Republic bought Frontier and Midwest.....

ShyGuy

It did happen! Republic Airlines bought Frontier and Midwest Express. Frontier goes got a bad SLI screw job with only a 7 year protection. After that, they would get to see RJ pilots upgrade into A320s well ahead of Frontier A320 FOs who were thrown in the middle of the list. No offense, but RJ FO/CA to A320 Captain was not a "realistic career expectation" (in the words of arbitrators) unless you were already at Frontier as an A320 FO. As for Midwest Express, those guys got completely screwed because the arbitrator stated MidEx was basically done for and liquidating. Most of these guy were furloughed and stapled to the bottom of the list. Some of the most senior MidEx guys could hold E190 FO.

So there you have it.

hockeypilot44

Midex never filed for bankruptcy. They just started parking airplanes as fast as Republic could replace them with E-190's. Frontier did file for bankruptcy, yet somehow Frontier is always painted as the superior airline. Republic shut Midwest down just as Delta shut Comair down.

bonesbrigade

I still want to know why ShyGuy insists on posting in the 9E discussions, especially when he has absolutely zero constructive to say.
Normally I don't want any pilot to hit the street, but when Virgin goes down in a burning ball of flame I will relish the day when shy has to go back to the regionals.