tom14cat14

Very true. I would just hope those that would want something more IF (very big IF) would learn from the past. I am sure it is pointless to even debate it because I do not think it will happen. That would be crazy because there are so many that have been turned down so I do not see Delta just saying well we dont like you but here is a job. Anyway, Best of luck to all.

gloopy

That's my opinion at this point as well. I was mostly being rhetorical. A flow type of arragement could accomplish the same goal while allowing a constant pathway for OTS hires as well. Most importantly, it would avoid the chance of a seniority grab lawsuit that I just can't see any way around any other way.

As for PCL FO's wanting to take part in the SSP at their own option, I wouldn't be against it. However if they are downgrading Captains to fly FO block hours, I don't see them doing anything to increase FO attrition but who knows. They can always "vault letter" it.

Mesabah

Just start a new regional with the DCI business plan:

Avroman

You do know that you are completely free to apply and be hired by Delta right now? A few FO's (and junior, out of seniority captains) have already been taken. Do you have your application in? If not, perhaps that's why you haven't already been called. I've talked to quite a few FO's that didn't bother with the application thinking there was no reason to apply. I was one of them until I came across a few guys that actually got hired outside the SSP and have actually gone to class at Delta QUICKER than guys senior going through the SSP. It seems fishy to me that Delta wants to offer SSP to the FO's... They are free to interview and hire them now, so do it. There is another reason they aren't telling us as to why they want the FO's in the SSP and I'm willing to bet it's not a good thing for most, if not all of us.

Bucking Bar

By the time Comair was acquired there was no requirement in the contract, or within ALPA's governing documents, which would have required a merger; by staple or by any other means.

gredenko

You do realize 9E won't be able to staff its end-state 81 900s in about 12-18 months, right?

gloopy

True. And the PID push without a pre-nup, supposedly in the name of "the process" was a large part of that. There never was a better time than then. There were essentially only 3 DCI carriers and 2 of them were wholly owned and represented the vast majority of seats and the third was non union and didn't have that much longer left on their contract anyway. Contracts were lining up at the perfect time, one had the leverage of self help, the mainline was getting close to making a significant deal and the other wasn't far behind.

The "operational integration" fiasco was a panic move to avoid the real possibility of an epic windfall seniority grab all in the name of "the process". It might not have happened even if things were handled differently, but as soon as the DCI side grossly overplayed their hand "going for it" their fate was sealed.

I don't think we will see anything along the lines of a list integration with PCL in part for the same reason. There is too little to gain and a lot to lose from the mainline side of it by even attempting to give it a go.

Scope, at this point, is a mainline problem that requires a mainline solution. I don't see any kind of DCI reductions at the DL PWA level (sunsetting, etc) that would actively displace current PCL pilots any faster than they are attritting anyway, so a flow/pref interview arrangement is the best, least risk way to bring many of those pilots over without taking a gamble with the DL seniority list.

Farmlover

I think a flow is the way to go. You would create movement which will then bring in New Hires. Then our pay scales aren't so bad, but this stagnation makes the pay scales totally wrong.

bonesbrigade

This is the main thing that I despise about DAL... their attitude is worse than what PanAm's used to be regarding potential newhires.
They seriously need to get over themselves and realize that there is not a glut of F4 Phantom pilots returning from Vietnam.

tom14cat14

I applied immediately to all of the legacy carries. I have heard the majority of FO’s hired outside of the SSP all knew someone or were downgrades. Look I am not asking to be just given the job or even saying that the mainline partner has to give a wholly owned a guaranteed interview. However if we are going to have the SSP and we have been told Delta management and Endeavor management are for allowing FO’s to be eligible for the SSP. It is only ALPA standing in the way. I think it is more ALPA trying to protect the senior captains that will not be moving on from here.