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Old 06-27-2017, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo View Post
Better place to find the exact answer would be in the union contract
Its 7 for P2.

A Pilot on P1 who has not been given a flight assignment by 1400 local time at his Domicile on his last day of Reserve before his Day Off will automatically be released to his Day Off. A Pilot on P2 who has not been given a flight assignment by 1900 local time at his Domicile on his last day of Reserve before his Day Off will automatically be released to his Day Off. (LOA 71.P.)
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Old 06-27-2017, 06:18 PM
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Regionals will be around for quite some time, we are being shifted into an ab-intio training ground. Delta has spent the last 12 months in Congress working on getting this through. Once the FAA approves it, Delta will go straight to the top colleges to find its future pilots.
Regionals will remain in place also because I suspect they are a profit center for the three majors who use this model. Some of the most expensive fares are city pairings served by regional carriers, meanwhile the overhead for regional crews operating those flight are much lower than mainline crews, despite the less efficient nature of regional aircraft.

I could be wrong but it sure would be interesting to see the profit margin if a company were to park regional jets and solely operate mainline aircraft, or operate regional jets with mainline crews.
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Folric View Post
If I'm on p2 reserve and it's my last day what time can I head home? Would it be 8 pm or 10 pm
Well, that depends on a lot... You are automatically released at 7 pm per the contract if you were only on call... Realistically it depends on your base, aircraft, and day. And for that matter if you are driving or flying out. Too many variables to generalize on this board.
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CODs4ever View Post
Regionals will remain in place also because I suspect they are a profit center for the three majors who use this model. Some of the most expensive fares are city pairings served by regional carriers, meanwhile the overhead for regional crews operating those flight are much lower than mainline crews, despite the less efficient nature of regional aircraft.

I could be wrong but it sure would be interesting to see the profit margin if a company were to park regional jets and solely operate mainline aircraft, or operate regional jets with mainline crews.
See Southwest, JetBlue, Spirit, Virgin America, Frontier, Allegiant, Sun Country......
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CODs4ever View Post
Regionals will remain in place also because I suspect they are a profit center for the three majors who use this model. Some of the most expensive fares are city pairings served by regional carriers, meanwhile the overhead for regional crews operating those flight are much lower than mainline crews, despite the less efficient nature of regional aircraft.

I could be wrong but it sure would be interesting to see the profit margin if a company were to park regional jets and solely operate mainline aircraft, or operate regional jets with mainline crews.
As the cost disparity of pilot pay narrows, that margin decreases. At some point, that will combine with the cost of the duplication of administrative services (executives, payroll, HR, OCC, etc) to make regionals not worthwhile. That's assuming our pay continues to rise.
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
See Southwest, JetBlue, Spirit, Virgin America, Frontier, Allegiant, Sun Country......
I would agree with you there, but also point out that those companies typically have much lower overhead in a lot of other areas as well, they don't fly long-haul Asian and European international routes, and at least two of those companies weathered the storm much more successfully in the years after 9/11 and the 2008 real estate market meltdown.

It's all just conjecture, but I'm not sure the three largest legacy carriers would be in a position to operate in the same (efficient) manner if the regionals were to disappear tomorrow.
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wmichflyer View Post
As the cost disparity of pilot pay narrows, that margin decreases. At some point, that will combine with the cost of the duplication of administrative services (executives, payroll, HR, OCC, etc) to make regionals not worthwhile. That's assuming our pay continues to rise.
Agree with you on that point. The duplication of administrative costs at the regionals is likely a significant factor as well. I wonder if many of those employees would be absorbed at their mainline counterparts...
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Old 06-28-2017, 05:19 AM
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I do believe, at least here at Endeavor, we will see more and more managerial positions handed over to Delta for cost efficiency.
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I do believe, at least here at Endeavor, we will see more and more managerial positions handed over to Delta for cost efficiency.
There's not much more that can be handed over without running afowl of the FAA requirements and triggering a bulletproof case for single carrier status.
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Old 06-29-2017, 02:13 PM
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Anyone feel as if the whole rolling the bonus into our pay talk just stopped... I haven't heard anything or gotten any emails with any updates on the current negotiations, did I miss something?
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