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04-30-2017, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by legend
Blend bonus with pay rates = new pay rate. Why is the union backtracking on this?
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
04-30-2017, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The problem is guarantee, the company won't raise it to 83 to make it equal. Thus there is a shift of pay from people who credit under 83 to those who credit more.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
04-30-2017, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The problem is guarantee, the company won't raise it to 83 to make it equal. Thus there is a shift of pay from people who credit under 83 to those who credit more.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
04-30-2017, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by legend
So $23,000 equates to $25.5/hr more across the board if you use 75 hr guarantee. If you use 83 hr it's less $ per hour. Where's the pay cutt? If anything it's very close to the same. If you make more per hour gives you more opportunity to make more. Ex: FO pay is $30/hr plus $25.5 = $55.5 = $50,000+$10000 new hire bonus= $60000. Senior 900 CA $89+25.5=$114.5/hr. I may be missing the bigger picture.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
04-30-2017, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The bonus would be blended into rates at a lower rate than $25.5, it would be based on the average 83.3, meaning $23hr. 75 x 12, is 900 x $23 is $20,700, thus the $23,000 is reduced to that $20,700 for all pilots. You have to pick up more flying to make up the difference.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
$68,000
If we increase to 80 hrs/month 5x12=60x $50= $3,000 +$68,000=
$71,000.
Or 85hrs month is another $3,000 to $74,000/yr.
$73/hr x 75 hrs= $5,475 x12= $65,700 /yr
$73/hr x 80 hrs =$5,840 x 12 =$70,080/yr.
$73/hr x 85 hrs=$6,205 x 12 =$74,460/yr.
So it appears that you have to credit 85 hrs or more per month
Otherwise it's a pay cut with a $23/hr raise.
If payscale goes to $75/hr x 75 hrs=$5,625 x12= $67,500
$75/hr x 80hrs= $6,000 x12 = $72,000/yr
$75/hr x 85hrs = $6,375 x 12=$76,500/yr.
But with a $25/hr raise its basically a break even if you credit only 75hrs/month otherwise its a raise
04-30-2017, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The bonus would be blended into rates at a lower rate than $25.5, it would be based on the average 83.3, meaning $23hr. 75 x 12, is 900 x $23 is $20,700, thus the $23,000 is reduced to that $20,700 for all pilots. You have to pick up more flying to make up the difference.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
04-30-2017, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen
If we close msp and dtw tomorrow a lot of this stupid **** would die. Commute already. My spot is opening up soon. Gtfo of dtw and msp and get 85 hours and 16 days off. Make the junior guys junior.
04-30-2017, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Better yet, let's close New York and send all the junior guys into MSP and DTW at the bottom where they belong. Those guys are commuting anyway. Most in MSP and DTW are not.
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