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Old 05-01-2017 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
No way.

And you've been around way too long to even think this.

We are paid by the hour. It needs to be an hourly wage.

If it's not we start working for free at some point.

No way, make em pay, they can afford everything we are asking.
I've been around long enough to know that the company will never accept the union proposal. I'm senior in seat, so the union proposal benefits me, that's why I know it won't fly.

I would rather lock in the bonus, which will end soon, then deal with rates in the normal section 6 process. Tie our contract duration to the mainline contract schedule; No more of this 7 years @ 1% crap.
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Old 05-01-2017 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I've been around long enough to know that the company will never accept the union proposal. I'm senior in seat, so the union proposal benefits me, that's why I know it won't fly.

I would rather lock in the bonus, which will end soon, then deal with rates in the normal section 6 process. Tie our contract duration to the mainline contract schedule; No more of this 7 years @ 1% crap.
Wouldn't you rather fix the rates while supply and demand is on our side?

I've been around long enough to know it can turn at any time.
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Old 05-01-2017 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Wouldn't you rather fix the rates while supply and demand is on our side?

I've been around long enough to know it can turn at any time.
Regardless of how you're paid your total compensation is defined by the underlying market forces. If you "fix the rates" and then the market turns, if you try and keep your rates while everyone else lowers their pay to adjust for the new normal, well, you get to be the next Comair.

So by all means, go for the rates, or however else you think you should be paid, but don't kid yourself that locking in pay rates insulates you from economic downturn.
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Old 05-01-2017 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
Regardless of how you're paid your total compensation is defined by the underlying market forces. If you "fix the rates" and then the market turns, if you try and keep your rates while everyone else lowers their pay to adjust for the new normal, well, you get to be the next Comair.

So by all means, go for the rates, or however else you think you should be paid, but don't kid yourself that locking in pay rates insulates you from economic downturn.
It does make it harder for them to take it back.

I'm not going to play scared to be the next Comair, they already did that to us and now we are being paid tens of thousands of dollars less per year.

Yeah the new guys are being paid more like they always should have, now for the rest of us that paid in blood for this.

We have the upper hand.

Pay.
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Old 05-01-2017 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
It does make it harder for them to take it back.

I'm not going to play scared to be the next Comair, they already did that to us and now we are being paid tens of thousands of dollars less per year.

Yeah the new guys are being paid more like they always should have, now for the rest of us that paid in blood for this.

We have the upper hand.

Pay.
Not disagreeing, just pointing out that the important number is the one that shows up on your W-2 at the end of the year. How you get there, well, just get there.
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Old 05-01-2017 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
Not disagreeing, just pointing out that the important number is the one that shows up on your W-2 at the end of the year. How you get there, well, just get there.
If they were paying a huge amount on salary I would agree.

We are not salaried employees.

Why the charade?

Why not just make it all salary?
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Old 05-01-2017 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
Not disagreeing, just pointing out that the important number is the one that shows up on your W-2 at the end of the year. How you get there, well, just get there.
If by some reason they keep the bonus but divide it by 24 as someone said previously, will it be taxed the same as it is now.?

That being said, I would prefer the hourly equivalent .
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Old 05-01-2017 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by legend
If by some reason they keep the bonus but divide it by 24 as someone said previously, will it be taxed the same as it is now.?

That being said, I would prefer the hourly equivalent .
At the time of payment, no it would be taxed as salary not a bonus... when you file your taxes it will still be part of total income, but perhaps since less would likely be withheld, less would be refunded. Ultimately it doesn't matter.... You gift the same amount to Washington every year either way.
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Old 05-01-2017 | 12:01 PM
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Unlikely to be taxed at the flat 25% rate that it is now if it is a twice-a-month thing. It COULD be, if the company chose for it to be, just saying it is unlikely.

If it is considered a BONUS, then the company has the choice of the flat 25% rate, or incorporating it into regular pay and taxing at the individual level.

Originally Posted by legend
If by some reason they keep the bonus but divide it by 24 as someone said previously, will it be taxed the same as it is now.?

That being said, I would prefer the hourly equivalent .
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Old 05-01-2017 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Unlikely to be taxed at the flat 25% rate that it is now if it is a twice-a-month thing. It COULD be, if the company chose for it to be, just saying it is unlikely.

If it is considered a BONUS, then the company has the choice of the flat 25% rate, or incorporating it into regular pay and taxing at the individual level.
Make it hourly.

Stop the bullsheet.
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