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Old 04-30-2017, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stillcantfly
Hahahahahahaha I wouldn't survive I'm not a left side minded person.
Touché ☺️☺️☺️ I would but I'm not allowed within 100 feet of a school.
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Better yet, let's close New York and send all the junior guys into MSP and DTW at the bottom where they belong. Those guys are commuting anyway. Most in MSP and DTW are not.
Absolutely. Run it in the ground and sabatage the whole thing. Hope it all works out.

If by some chance whatever is left of this pilot group can grow up; get something worked out and move on. Keep the boat afloat a while longer, move on as so many of us have. Don't let a bunch of suckers who refuse to move on kill this airline so they can finally put themselves out of their misery.

Ba dee ba dee, that's all folks. Stay off guard!
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
It would be foolish not to accept the company's proposal. The majority of the high credit average comes from OE buyouts. This is not a FO vs CA issue, it is a junior vs senior in position issue. If I could bid for 17 days off a month, and all trips with LCA for 120+ credit a month, I would. A reserve pilot who commutes, only gets 11 days off, with 82 credit a month.
No way.

And you've been around way too long to even think this.

We are paid by the hour. It needs to be an hourly wage.

If it's not we start working for free at some point.

No way, make em pay, they can afford everything we are asking.
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen
Absolutely. Run it in the ground and sabatage the whole thing. Hope it all works out.

If by some chance whatever is left of this pilot group can grow up; get something worked out and move on. Keep the boat afloat a while longer, move on as so many of us have. Don't let a bunch of suckers who refuse to move on kill this airline so they can finally put themselves out of their misery.

Ba dee ba dee, that's all folks. Stay off guard!
??? How am I saying to sabotage anything? Simply saying why should all the guys that actually live in DTW and MSP start commuting to New York over the (junior) guys already commuting to New York instead commute to either DTW or MSP? While we may not be as rich as the coasties, there are still plenty of people left in the middle of this nation that want nothing to do with ocean front living....
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Better yet, let's close New York and send all the junior guys into MSP and DTW at the bottom where they belong. Those guys are commuting anyway. Most in MSP and DTW are not.
I am going to suggest an idea to you.

Some of us actually like, and dare I say desire, being based in NYC.

The world is bigger than you and DTW.
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Why whould I commute when GoJet is hiring street captains and constantly paying 300%?
Then go there. You'll keep your longevity.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AnotherWriter
I am going to suggest an idea to you.

Some of us actually like, and dare I say desire, being based in NYC.

The world is bigger than you and DTW.
This is true. There's a growing number of guys that actually live in the area and for commuters, what other base besides LGA can you walk from your crashpad to the terminal?
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
No way.

And you've been around way too long to even think this.

We are paid by the hour. It needs to be an hourly wage.

If it's not we start working for free at some point.

No way, make em pay, they can afford everything we are asking.
I've been around long enough to know that the company will never accept the union proposal. I'm senior in seat, so the union proposal benefits me, that's why I know it won't fly.

I would rather lock in the bonus, which will end soon, then deal with rates in the normal section 6 process. Tie our contract duration to the mainline contract schedule; No more of this 7 years @ 1% crap.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I've been around long enough to know that the company will never accept the union proposal. I'm senior in seat, so the union proposal benefits me, that's why I know it won't fly.

I would rather lock in the bonus, which will end soon, then deal with rates in the normal section 6 process. Tie our contract duration to the mainline contract schedule; No more of this 7 years @ 1% crap.
Wouldn't you rather fix the rates while supply and demand is on our side?

I've been around long enough to know it can turn at any time.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Wouldn't you rather fix the rates while supply and demand is on our side?

I've been around long enough to know it can turn at any time.
Regardless of how you're paid your total compensation is defined by the underlying market forces. If you "fix the rates" and then the market turns, if you try and keep your rates while everyone else lowers their pay to adjust for the new normal, well, you get to be the next Comair.

So by all means, go for the rates, or however else you think you should be paid, but don't kid yourself that locking in pay rates insulates you from economic downturn.
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