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Old 11-14-2016, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Funny how the American/USAir/AWest pilots think the flows are excellent and think that mainline American should be taking more flows. And I'm pretty sure they were all hired through an interview. Are Delta pilots somehow superior to them? It is after all the exact same job. No one at a WO regional (be it Endevaor or one of the AAG WOs) feels we "deserve" a job at mainline. But let's be real here. When someone buys a ticket on Delta or American, and the flight gets flown by their regional subsidiary, why are those pilots "good enough" to fly YOUR passengers at their regional under your brand, but not on your actual airplanes? The SSP that Endeavor has with Delta turns down many qualified applicants. Sometimes twice. But hey, it's okay, they can still fly your passengers around under your brand who bought tickets to fly on your airline. Sounds a little ludicrous doesn't it? I'm glad the culture at American isn't like that.
By that logic, Endeavor pilots should get automatic jobs at DL, but SkyWest pilots should get automatic jobs at DL, UA, AS and whoever else they fly for this week because they "fly their passengers"?
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Old 11-14-2016, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum View Post
You're correct.....Elsewhere.
OK, so how many EDV pilots have been hired at DL since full time hiring began this time around (2014ish)?

How many EDV pilots have gotten hired elsewhere during that same time?

How many of those pilots would have ended up going to wherever else they went to anyway (because of bases, simply getting hired first, etc)?
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Old 11-14-2016, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartender View Post
Yet Delta is now having 80 hour IOE's. It is becoming a safety issue at Delta now with the quick upgrade. The low time hires can now be captain with a low time FO. This will be interesting. It's going to catch up to Delta.
LOLwut?

How does a flow or lack of flow have anything to do with that?

They are concerned with very low time pilots (some who never upgraded anywhere) being Captain and flying with new hires. So they're giving more OE to be extra cautious.

The other airlines are going to be dealing with the exact same thing soon too. They're just a year or three behind with their mergers and upgrades.
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Old 11-14-2016, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartender View Post
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Many line pilots at Delta are tired of playing baby sitter while you bypass great high time regional guys. The hiring practices are showing.
So you're saying the average times and ages and experience levels of DL new hires are so much lower than other airlines?

Cause you'd be wrong. But I'm sure they could go from 4 month upgrades to 10 year upgrades like UAL if only they had a regional flow wait that.
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Old 11-14-2016, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartender View Post
Some of you need to get out of the puzzle palace and talk to the line folks. It's getting interesting out there and yet nobody wants to acknowledge it. You wouldn't have to increase IOE to 75 hours in the first year if it wasn't a problem.
LOL um, this just happened. On paper only. On one bid. No one is even in the left seat at that seniority yet. Still waiting on training. So how can it be a "problem" if it hasn't even happened yet?
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Old 11-15-2016, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
By that logic, Endeavor pilots should get automatic jobs at DL, but SkyWest pilots should get automatic jobs at DL, UA, AS and whoever else they fly for this week because they "fly their passengers"?
You missed the point.
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Old 11-15-2016, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
By that logic, Endeavor pilots should get automatic jobs at DL, but SkyWest pilots should get automatic jobs at DL, UA, AS and whoever else they fly for this week because they "fly their passengers"?
In that sense, yes. Either you are qualified to fly your brand's passengers or you are not. If not, you shouldn't be flying them in a Boeing or a Bombardier.
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
In that sense, yes. Either you are qualified to fly your brand's passengers or you are not. If not, you shouldn't be flying them in a Boeing or a Bombardier.
Would there be a distinction between wholly owned and contact lift in this case? I mean in a sense we ars run by Delta. Also, I'm wondering about liability issues should an unfortunate incident or accident occur involving an unsuccessful Delta interview candidate. Not good enough to fly for Delta, but you can fly our passengers over here. Seems to me maybe American is on to something. I'm just throwing thoughts out here
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:54 AM
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I think this subject has been beat to death people....
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Old 11-15-2016, 06:02 AM
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One of the big problems is the disconnect between mainline ALPA and regional ALPA. Every other skilled trade union has an apprenticeship program. New members are trained and mentored in a structured environment. After a certain number of years and training as an apprentice, you turn out as a journeyman and earn full scale wages and benefits.

Our "union" doesn't operate that way. Despite the advertisements, we don't have a defined pathway to earning a mainline job. All we have is be a captain for two years and you can interview to maybe have a job. If you're not successful, you stay at B/C scale wages without all the other benefits mainline has. But, we're all union "brothers and sisters" and Delta "family" right?
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