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Old 11-13-2016 | 08:41 AM
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Random question. Is there a master list of hotels we can get discounts at as 9E employees? Also I was told by the hotel that paperwork from the company needs faxed to the hotel in order to get the super discounted rate. Is that meant for people who are commuting for work and not leisure traveling?
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Old 11-13-2016 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorp
Random question. Is there a master list of hotels we can get discounts at as 9E employees? Also I was told by the hotel that paperwork from the company needs faxed to the hotel in order to get the super discounted rate. Is that meant for people who are commuting for work and not leisure traveling?
Just call and ask. I don't think the company is sending over any information if you're paying the bill. There is a master list of all hotels we use in every bid pack.
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Old 11-13-2016 | 09:35 AM
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I also found some interesting info on Skywest's most recent 10Q report. Looks like some of there CPA's expire on a per aircraft basis in 2016, both for them and expressjet. Might hint at where the new 200's are coming from.
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Old 11-13-2016 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TSioux55

Of course our fearless union folks will never address this bc hardly any new hire is on reserve for very long anymore. What are they gonna do when that changes?
New hires may not be on reserve very long, but what about junior captains in DTW and MSP?
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Old 11-13-2016 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Skittles9E
If you told someone 2 years ago that starting FO pay would be $60K you would have been laughed out of the place. The retirements are just starting. New hires want pay and career progression, while you're right that delta may not want a flow now I think it's more about controlling the pilot group. Why not have a flow, and if a guy/gal is a complete buffoon then they get fired or sent back to 9E while
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I agree with you, especially after this weeks election anything possible. I hope that there is a flow however I just don't see it. Like some of the other posts have stated, Delta wants control and I believe they think everyone wants to work for them, so why just hand a job offer to a lowly regional guy. I feel that the powers that be at Delta as well as their pilot group have no respect for us regional guys and feel we don't deserve a flow. Maybe it goes back to the old Comair thing I don't know. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Old 11-13-2016 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mnpilot
I agree with you, especially after this weeks election anything possible. I hope that there is a flow however I just don't see it. Like some of the other posts have stated, Delta wants control and I believe they think everyone wants to work for them, so why just hand a job offer to a lowly regional guy. I feel that the powers that be at Delta as well as their pilot group have no respect for us regional guys and feel we don't deserve a flow. Maybe it goes back to the old Comair thing I don't know. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I don't speak for the entire Delta pilot group but what have you to understand is the majority were hired without flow. They feel they earned the job by interviewing. It's not a question of whether regional pilots "deserve a flow." Look at it as more of a rite of passage, badge of honor, etc. This same thing applies to our new hire training hotels. I can't tell you how many captains I've flown with that don't give a crap about negotiating for them because they didn't get them decades ago.

I think the only way a flow happens is if Delta gets desperate but I would expect push back from the Delta pilot group. Not because you're less worthy but because it's a new concept and change is hard to get used to. In the end, don't take it personally.
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Old 11-13-2016 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
I don't speak for the entire Delta pilot group but what have you to understand is the majority were hired without flow. They feel they earned the job by interviewing. It's not a question of whether regional pilots "deserve a flow." Look at it as more of a rite of passage, badge of honor, etc. This same thing applies to our new hire training hotels. I can't tell you how many captains I've flown with that don't give a crap about negotiating for them because they didn't get them decades ago.

I think the only way a flow happens is if Delta gets desperate but I would expect push back from the Delta pilot group. Not because you're less worthy but because it's a new concept and change is hard to get used to. In the end, don't take it personally.
Right, we wont take it personally, when we fly Delta's passengers and the thanks we get from Delta pilots is NO to a flow in addition to wishing the demise of DCI.
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Old 11-13-2016 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
Right, we wont take it personally, when we fly Delta's passengers and the thanks we get from Delta pilots is NO to a flow in addition to wishing the demise of DCI.


No employee is deserving until they are hired by a company they want to work for. The lines between Endeavor and Delta are clear. They are separate companies so I'd think twice about copping an attitude of feeling deserving of something you haven't earned by interviewing. If anything your sense of entitlement is misdirected. It should be pointed at management. They are in control of this, not the pilots. Unless of course you have concrete evidence DALPA told management to stuff it when approached with a flow LOA. To my knowledge that hasn't happened.

I flew US Air passengers for almost a decade for ZW. I never felt entitled to a job at Airways because of it. Has it crossed your mind that maybe the attitude you seem to be portraying is the attitude Delta doesn't want in its employees?

Lastly, don't take any of this to mean I'm not in support of a flow. It certainly has its advantages. However, as of right now, this is Delta's philosophy and there's no sense in crying in your Cheerio's over something you have no control over.


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Old 11-13-2016 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Skittles9E
I also found some interesting info on Skywest's most recent 10Q report. Looks like some of there CPA's expire on a per aircraft basis in 2016, both for them and expressjet. Might hint at where the new 200's are coming from.
It's clear to me that the 200s are coming from ASA
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Old 11-13-2016 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
No employee is deserving until they are hired by a company they want to work for. The lines between Endeavor and Delta are clear. They are separate companies so I'd think twice about copping an attitude of feeling deserving of something you haven't earned by interviewing. If anything your sense of entitlement is misdirected. It should be pointed at management. They are in control of this, not the pilots. Unless of course you have concrete evidence DALPA told management to stuff it when approached with a flow LOA. To my knowledge that hasn't happened.

I flew US Air passengers for almost a decade for ZW. I never felt entitled to a job at Airways because of it. Has it crossed your mind that maybe the attitude you seem to be portraying is the attitude Delta doesn't want in its employees?

Lastly, don't take any of this to mean I'm not in support of a flow. It certainly has its advantages. However, as of right now, this is Delta's philosophy and there's no sense in crying in your Cheerio's over something you have no control over.


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I never said I wanted or deserved a flow. But the fact that Delta pilots are against it and against us, DCI pilots is disappointing. Think they call
That cronyism.
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