Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
10-30-2016, 03:45 AM
#7661
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Originally Posted by iamhim
Can ya elaborate on this for an incoming 9E newbie. "If you ever want to see....."
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That is assuming you don't live in another base. If you live in another base just go with the junior plane but stay in that base. Commuting blows.
10-30-2016, 03:57 AM
#7662
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by Gearswinger
Has nothing to do with being new to 9e, the advice applies everywhere. If you want best quality of life, pick the most junior plane, preferably in the most junior base. You will hold a line quicker, make more money, have more time off, and move up quicker.
That is assuming you don't live in another base. If you live in another base just go with the junior plane but stay in that base. Commuting blows.
That is assuming you don't live in another base. If you live in another base just go with the junior plane but stay in that base. Commuting blows.
Much thanks.
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10-30-2016, 08:23 AM
#7663
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: LAV
Posts: 187
Originally Posted by Yumyum
It's on Delta equipment so fair is fair. I do however think we should travel at a higher priority on our own metal. Also when traveling to work, and I repeat only to work, we should have higher priority than retirees. Unfortunately it's probably hard to enforce something like that. I'm sure some boneheads would abuse the privilege.
So when I see myself and family pushed further down the standby list by people who were hired at DL after me, it's understandably frustrating. It also makes it harder to plan as there is no incentive or reason to list for a flight in advance since you can list, check in, and automatically be placed where you will, leaving us with no idea beforehand of just how many of us are trying to make a flight.
The fact that we're being treated as second class employees in this just further deepens the animosity that exists between DL and its regionals; an animosity that doesn't exist between AA and its regionals.
I'm not saying that we should fight to mimic AA's way of non-revving
(I don't see that ever happening here), just venting my frustration with our system.
10-30-2016, 08:44 AM
#7664
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
Originally Posted by jules11
I came from a regional (envoy) where there was no difference between a mainline employee or a regional employee when it came to non-revving. At AA and the AA WO's your place on the standby list is determined by time of check in; check in at 17:00, you're ahead of someone who checked in at 17:02.
So when I see myself and family pushed further down the standby list by people who were hired at DL after me, it's understandably frustrating. It also makes it harder to plan as there is no incentive or reason to list for a flight in advance since you can list, check in, and automatically be placed where you will, leaving us with no idea beforehand of just how many of us are trying to make a flight.
The fact that we're being treated as second class employees in this just further deepens the animosity that exists between DL and its regionals; an animosity that doesn't exist between AA and its regionals.
I'm not saying that we should fight to mimic AA's way of non-revving
(I don't see that ever happening here), just venting my frustration with our system.
So when I see myself and family pushed further down the standby list by people who were hired at DL after me, it's understandably frustrating. It also makes it harder to plan as there is no incentive or reason to list for a flight in advance since you can list, check in, and automatically be placed where you will, leaving us with no idea beforehand of just how many of us are trying to make a flight.
The fact that we're being treated as second class employees in this just further deepens the animosity that exists between DL and its regionals; an animosity that doesn't exist between AA and its regionals.
I'm not saying that we should fight to mimic AA's way of non-revving
(I don't see that ever happening here), just venting my frustration with our system.
10-30-2016, 10:02 AM
#7665
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: Here and there
Posts: 1,906
Originally Posted by gojo
Yes Delta is nothing like AA. AA values the people that are flying their customers on their regional airlines.
10-30-2016, 10:27 AM
#7666
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Posts: 144
Originally Posted by jules11
I came from a regional (envoy) where there was no difference between a mainline employee or a regional employee when it came to non-revving. At AA and the AA WO's your place on the standby list is determined by time of check in; check in at 17:00, you're ahead of someone who checked in at 17:02.
So when I see myself and family pushed further down the standby list by people who were hired at DL after me, it's understandably frustrating. It also makes it harder to plan as there is no incentive or reason to list for a flight in advance since you can list, check in, and automatically be placed where you will, leaving us with no idea beforehand of just how many of us are trying to make a flight.
The fact that we're being treated as second class employees in this just further deepens the animosity that exists between DL and its regionals; an animosity that doesn't exist between AA and its regionals.
I'm not saying that we should fight to mimic AA's way of non-revving
(I don't see that ever happening here), just venting my frustration with our system.
So when I see myself and family pushed further down the standby list by people who were hired at DL after me, it's understandably frustrating. It also makes it harder to plan as there is no incentive or reason to list for a flight in advance since you can list, check in, and automatically be placed where you will, leaving us with no idea beforehand of just how many of us are trying to make a flight.
The fact that we're being treated as second class employees in this just further deepens the animosity that exists between DL and its regionals; an animosity that doesn't exist between AA and its regionals.
I'm not saying that we should fight to mimic AA's way of non-revving
(I don't see that ever happening here), just venting my frustration with our system.
10-30-2016, 10:47 AM
#7667
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: CaptFo
Posts: 997
Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
Dear sweet baby Jesus I hope this is tongue in cheek. AA absolutely despises their regional carriers. All you need to see is how little support they give them. Crappy ground handling equipment and facilities that rival the worst third world airports have to offer.
10-30-2016, 11:09 AM
#7668
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Position: Here and there
Posts: 1,906
Originally Posted by Yumyum
They despise them so much, they are going to hire about half of them in the next 10 years. Man they must really hate them
That doesn't mean they care for them. Flow is the cheapest way to staff mainline (not nearly as many interviews which cost time and money) which further proves my point that it's not about caring, it's about lowest cost.
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10-30-2016, 11:26 AM
#7669
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Position: NYC FO
Posts: 79
Yeah they're not flowing them because they love them. It just allowed them to offer substandard wages and QOL for a little while longer. Things may well improve with Kirby leaving. But the reasons for them getting improvements are not due to some newfound corporate ethos. I'm also curious long term how AA mainline pilots feel about having almost zero control over who will be sharing their cockpits with them. Isn't that part of why Delta is so averse to flow agreements? They didn't like some of the guys that ended up there?
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10-30-2016, 11:34 AM
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Posts: 426
Originally Posted by CabbiInbound
Yeah they're not flowing them because they love them. It just allowed them to offer substandard wages and QOL for a little while longer. Things may well improve with Kirby leaving. But the reasons for them getting improvements are not due to some newfound corporate ethos. I'm also curious long term how AA mainline pilots feel about having almost zero control over who will be sharing their cockpits with them. Isn't that part of why Delta is so averse to flow agreements? They didn't like some of the guys that ended up there?
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