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Old 10-30-2016 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jules11
I came from a regional (envoy) where there was no difference between a mainline employee or a regional employee when it came to non-revving. At AA and the AA WO's your place on the standby list is determined by time of check in; check in at 17:00, you're ahead of someone who checked in at 17:02.

So when I see myself and family pushed further down the standby list by people who were hired at DL after me, it's understandably frustrating. It also makes it harder to plan as there is no incentive or reason to list for a flight in advance since you can list, check in, and automatically be placed where you will, leaving us with no idea beforehand of just how many of us are trying to make a flight.

The fact that we're being treated as second class employees in this just further deepens the animosity that exists between DL and its regionals; an animosity that doesn't exist between AA and its regionals.

I'm not saying that we should fight to mimic AA's way of non-revving
(I don't see that ever happening here), just venting my frustration with our system.
Y leave Envoy?
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Old 10-30-2016 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by madeinUSA
Y leave Envoy?
Because it's the greatest place ever with the best pay, work rules, bases, and travel benefits. That's why I talk to new hires at 9e who left Envoy. Because Envoy is awesome.
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Old 10-30-2016 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearswinger
Because it's the greatest place ever with the best pay, work rules, bases, and travel benefits. That's why I talk to new hires at 9e who left Envoy. Because Envoy is awesome.
I see whay you did there.
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Old 10-30-2016 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
Delta will weed them out if your awesome judge of character is correct. I can tell you use it wisely.

Also, I would never admit to falsely calling in sick on any website. The idea of anonymity is a fallacy at best.


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I keep hearing Delta will weed them out. #1 Fly straight for one year and it will take an act of God to remove you from the cockpit. # 2 You can follow all the rules and still be a jerk.
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Old 10-30-2016 | 02:17 PM
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Any tips/advice for approaching these "odd ethical questions" one could expect in an interview. First that comes to mind is "Captain wants you to make an announcement to passengers regarding weather delay when its really a maintenance issue"

Seems like any sort of ethical person would announce a maintenance issue instead and disregard captains request to blatantly lie?

Thanks in advance for any pointers
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Old 10-30-2016 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
Just imagine telling Delta passengers that over 50% of their pilots are not good enough pilots to fly for Delta. I don't think that would go over very well.
I don't get this analogy at all. Are you implying that everyone that isn't hired is due to a safety issue?
They could not hire you due to breath or BO.
You could go drill one in back at DCI, and they have no additional liability whatsoever.
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Old 10-30-2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
I don't get this analogy at all. Are you implying that everyone that isn't hired is due to a safety issue?
They could not hire you due to breath or BO.
You could go drill one in back at DCI, and they have no additional liability whatsoever.
The point is the fact that, for what ever reason Delta didn't hire 50% of the pilots "that participatedin the ssp" to fly Delta jets with Delta Passengers, but the same 50% can go back to Endeavor and fly the very same passengers on "delta jets" for a whole lot less money. I don't see what you don't get!
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Old 10-30-2016 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
The point is the fact that, for what ever reason Delta didn't hire 50% of the pilots "that participatedin the ssp" to fly Delta jets with Delta Passengers, but the same 50% can go back to Endeavor and fly the very same passengers on "delta jets" for a whole lot less money. I don't see what you don't get!


Still, Delta HAD to interview all of us. We weren't prescreened and called like the guys off the street. How many had a resume in for years with no call and then suddenly got interviewed through the SSP? Of course we don't have the high pass rate that off the street does. It doesn't make us less of a pilot or less qualified to fly Delta passengers, it just means they don't feel we are a good fit with mainline Delta culture even if we excel at 9e.
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Old 10-30-2016 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bones421
Any tips/advice for approaching these "odd ethical questions" one could expect in an interview. First that comes to mind is "Captain wants you to make an announcement to passengers regarding weather delay when its really a maintenance issue"

Seems like any sort of ethical person would announce a maintenance issue instead and disregard captains request to blatantly lie?

Thanks in advance for any pointers
I got asked that question on my interview. They are looking for a response that shows you are a good problem solver. While we do want to tell the passengers the truth you don't want to create potential conflicts with the Captain. I've been in situations where we had a mechanical issue and the weather was so bad that everyone else was delayed. At that point it is very easy to blame the weather if the mechanical problem will be fixed before the weather delay is lifted. Be honest with the passengers and be honest with the Captain.

You can also get a question like "You arrive at the aircraft to find the Captain smelling of alcohol and exhibiting signs of being drunk. What do you do?" Same type of thought exercise. Obviously you want to have the CA removed but do you want to ruin the guys life? Best response in that situation is to tell the CA he should call in sick and if he refuses then you can call your chief pilot or base manager to bring in additional firepower. Calling the police is a last resort.

In short: be a team player, looking out for your crew, and do your best to problem solve. 90% of the interview they are trying to figure out if you are an easy going, fun to fly with, pilot.
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Old 10-30-2016 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1
Clearly you don't fly the 200.... They have been short captains for months now
The problem is, as short as they are, there are still no openings in MSP or DTW, and even worse, the captain openings being created by the few that have bid to NYC have not been backfilled in quite a while, on either airplane. Meanwhile, SkyWest has taken over one of our old crew rooms and bag rooms in DTW (and are building a large hangar) GoJet has taken over other space as well as some of our management office space. And our management keeps encouraging people to bid to New York for better schedules (that really aren't better commuting wise except for possibly being off reserve)
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