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Old 12-17-2017 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by blueskies21
i didn't see anyone say raw data.

I did say the autopilot wasn't required but recommended. The autopilot not being engaged doesn't make it raw data. You'd still have the flight director.

I don't know about you but i'm perfectly capable of keeping the triangles together myself.

I would not suggest actually flying an rnav departure raw data, i'm too lazy right now to look up whether flight director use is required ( i think it is).

That said, people have been flying cdi's for a long time. If the line is in the center you are on course, it's not about a little airplane and a white line. Again, i'm fairly confident i can keep a cdi centered.

That statement does not mean i'm suggesting you should fly raw data, but i'm also not scared of it.

Completely understand not wanting to fill out asap's because of fo's (or ca's). We're all in this together, none of us want to get violated.

Can we move on to which jerky is the best? Or if not jerky, best snack on the road? One of the flight attendants told me to squeeze a lime over the biscoff cookies and it tastes like key lime pie... Haven't tried it yet. Thoughts?
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Old 12-18-2017 | 04:25 AM
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He's not wrong. The AP is only recommended for RNAV departures. I have flown the ATL RNAV departures many many times using the FD but not the AP. I have seen many CAs do the same thing.

Many of the deviations I have heard about come from either not setting the departure up in the FMS correctly or having the HDG bud not on runway heading when the AP is turned on.

If you dont load the right runway into the box then the airplane will not fly the departure. It wouldn't matter if the AP was on or not. If you have the heading bug on the wrong heading the FD will command a turn when you shouldn't be doing one.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DL31082
He's not wrong. The AP is only recommended for RNAV departures. I have flown the ATL RNAV departures many many times using the FD but not the AP. I have seen many CAs do the same thing.

Many of the deviations I have heard about come from either not setting the departure up in the FMS correctly or having the HDG bud not on runway heading when the AP is turned on.

If you dont load the right runway into the box then the airplane will not fly the departure. It wouldn't matter if the AP was on or not. If you have the heading bug on the wrong heading the FD will command a turn when you shouldn't be doing one.
All that is correct. My advice is all that must be correct AND use the AP after 600 feet.

There are plenty of other opportunities to hand fly in lower risk environments.

And yes, I am a wuss.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 06:38 AM
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Hey guys,

was looking back for info on how soon one could hold MSP either airframe and couldn't find anything recent, could anyone update?
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Old 12-18-2017 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by StandEmUp
Hey guys,

was looking back for info on how soon one could hold MSP either airframe and couldn't find anything recent, could anyone update?
MSP as CP takes forever. Really.

MSP as FO should be possible within 1 to 3 years.

MSP is super senior on both the CP and FO side.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by StandEmUp
Hey guys,

was looking back for info on how soon one could hold MSP either airframe and couldn't find anything recent, could anyone update?
200 is closing. Most junior FO at MSP on the 900 was a May 2017 hire. Most junior line holder based on the mock was hired in June of 2016. Captains are 10+ years to hold the base and close to 20 to hold a line.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flogger
MSP as CP takes forever. Really.

MSP as FO should be possible within 1 to 3 years.

MSP is super senior on both the CP and FO side.
Correct on CA side but most recent vacancy has a 6 Month FO moving over in January. June hire. Reserve for him will probably be a year or two.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 08:04 AM
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January schedules are up on Flica.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
Correct on CA side but most recent vacancy has a 6 Month FO moving over in January. June hire. Reserve for him will probably be a year or two.
I am guesstimating based on the implications of 18-01.
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Old 12-18-2017 | 10:06 AM
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Perfect practice makes perfect.

I’d hate to be with a guy who was flying his first-ever RNAV out of ATL because the A/P was deferred, and he had heretofore been relying solely on the A/P.

Originally Posted by Flogger
All that is correct. My advice is all that must be correct AND use the AP after 600 feet.

There are plenty of other opportunities to hand fly in lower risk environments.

And yes, I am a wuss.
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