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Old 11-29-2016, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver View Post
The DGI program isn't set up like SSP, from what has been said on it, when you interview and pass, you get the next available Delta class, not having to sit and wait for more years. So whack the last 2 off that 6 year plan there.
DGI - the #2 reason why I came here. #1 was the culture, #3 was the upgrade time, #4 was the pay, #5 was bases. Like I've said before, I had an offer from an AAWO, but just didn't feel it was in the same class as 9E.
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Old 11-29-2016, 06:48 AM
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DGI - the #2 reason why I came here. #1 was the culture, #3 was the upgrade time, #4 was the pay, #5 was bases. Like I've said before, I had an offer from an AAWO, but just didn't feel it was in the same class as 9E.
The exact reasons I came here. Almost in the same order. I also could have gone to an AAWO.
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Old 11-29-2016, 06:59 AM
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523XJ mesaba AVRO crashed.

Crash: LAMIA Bolivia RJ85 near Medellin on Nov 28th 2016, electrical problems, impact with terrain
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:32 AM
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Where is the tail# info?
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:37 AM
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Unless you have previous 121, at endeavor you need at least 2 years for the 1,000hrs 121, 2 more years as PIC to be eligible for interview, and about 2 more years after that for a class date in DL IF and only IF you pass the interview. Thats 6 years.

AMR will give you a class date without the interview in the same timeframe. There is no reason for a new hire to come here unless he REALLY wants Delta or NYC for whatever reason.
This is completely untrue. Once you have 24 months as a captain you are eligible to interview, if you get a CJO you get thrown right into the OTS pool. There's is no metering of candidates once you get a CJO, it's right to delta.
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:53 AM
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Not trying to ruffle feathers, but if things were so bad and you had to endure so much, why didn't you just jump when you had the chance? Honest question. Maybe the hard times weren't as hard to get through as you thought they was.

I read this quote recently, perhaps it's relevant for this discussion: "It is intellectually dishonest to look backwards with all the facts and judge the decisions that were made with almost none of the facts, or the facts that existed hidden in the normal cloud of endless speculation of what might happen." - Norm Coleman

Maybe a little more focus on the present and not so much on the past would change your outlook on the future.
I am looking towards the future. The people who were here in the past 10 or more years deserve better pay and career progression if they choose to move on. Yes things were hard. 6 years with a sub par 1999 contract, pilots sleeping in their cars and collecting food stamps. The industry was stagnant for years and the company knew that. Finally getting a decent contact and having it taking away in bankruptcy due to the high costs of merging the three companies. Oh yes taking concessions and 401 hits and soft money hits and on and on.
Oh sorry I forgot, you weren't here for that. How is that for an honest answer to your honest question.
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:54 AM
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523XJ

Left the fleet in 2007 to CityJet. I get the point in sentiment, but really no need to drum this up. Tragic story, but really not appropriate to discuss here in my opinion.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle View Post
I am looking towards the future. The people who were here in the past 10 or more years deserve better pay and career progression if they choose to move on. Yes things were hard. 6 years with a sub par 1999 contract, pilots sleeping in their cars and collecting food stamps. The industry was stagnant for years and the company knew that. Finally getting a decent contact and having it taking away in bankruptcy due to the high costs of merging the three companies. Oh yes taking concessions and 401 hits and soft money hits and on and on.
Oh sorry I forgot, you weren't here for that. How is that for an honest answer to your honest question.
And some still taking a hit with the large loss of flying in DTW and MSP. (no displacements yet but back to reserve for who knows how many more years)
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:04 AM
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Where is the tail# info?
Good question.

LAMIA Bolivia CP-2933 (BAe 146 / Avro RJ - MSN 2348) (Ex EI-RJK N523XJ P4-LOR ) | Airfleets aviation
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Left the fleet in 2007 to CityJet. I get the point in sentiment, but really no need to drum this up. Tragic story, but really not appropriate to discuss here in my opinion.
We can discuss any topic we choose. If you don't think this is a good topic, or any crash for that matter, then I recommend you start. From each crash we stand to gain lots of what-to-lookout-fors. Any crash we study serves to enhance our safety. Consider that next time you turn on your anti-ice without keeping the other pilot informed or execute a modification without confirming. Off my soap box now.
In addition, the reason I cited this crash as an XJ bird is for those who would be interested to know. Nothing more. Guuuuaaaard
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