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04-30-2017 | 09:44 AM
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I wish people would know the history better. It was ALPA National and mainlines pilots that created this mess. Rather than having everyone start at the true bottom your union allowed people to get hired ahead of people that already spent years with the union flying 121 against others with no 121 experience and paid no union dues. The trickel of regional pilots that did get hired wasn't enough to stop stagnation. Why do you think mainline gave up scope and allow regionals to expand? Who's subsidizing who? I can assure you senior guys at any regional are not the problem.
04-30-2017 | 10:54 AM
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You are so wrong it's not even funny.
Let's do some basic math, assuming 1700 flying pilots on the list, average of 89 hours a month (which is fact), and $50 an hour average pay pre bonus
Proposal 1, the salary:
89 x $50 x 12 months = $53,400 + $23,000 = $76,400 x 1700 pilots = $129,880,000 payroll
Proposal 2, the rate (at 83 hours, $23 an hour):
89 x $73 x 12 months = $77,964 x 1700 pilots = $132,538,800
By doing the salary payment, you are giving the company nearly $3 million that should be going to the pilots instead.
Clearly you, Mesabah, want to give our pilot's money to the company, but I don't. Let's get the MAJORITY of our pilots a significant raise.
BTW, I credited well more than 75 hours on reserve without giving up any days off so it has nothing to do with senior vs junior.
Let's do some basic math, assuming 1700 flying pilots on the list, average of 89 hours a month (which is fact), and $50 an hour average pay pre bonus
Proposal 1, the salary:
89 x $50 x 12 months = $53,400 + $23,000 = $76,400 x 1700 pilots = $129,880,000 payroll
Proposal 2, the rate (at 83 hours, $23 an hour):
89 x $73 x 12 months = $77,964 x 1700 pilots = $132,538,800
By doing the salary payment, you are giving the company nearly $3 million that should be going to the pilots instead.
Clearly you, Mesabah, want to give our pilot's money to the company, but I don't. Let's get the MAJORITY of our pilots a significant raise.
BTW, I credited well more than 75 hours on reserve without giving up any days off so it has nothing to do with senior vs junior.
89 x $50 x 12 months = $53,400 + $26,000 = $79,400 x 1700 = $134,980,000
It's clearly you who wants to give the company money.
04-30-2017 | 10:59 AM
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Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
04-30-2017 | 11:25 AM
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The problem is guarantee, the company won't raise it to 83 to make it equal. Thus there is a shift of pay from people who credit under 83 to those who credit more.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
04-30-2017 | 11:31 AM
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The problem is guarantee, the company won't raise it to 83 to make it equal. Thus there is a shift of pay from people who credit under 83 to those who credit more.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
Last year I averaged 85, this year though it is only 79 due to the lack of open time. If you let reserves convert days to opentime, all the open time will be gone. The union proposal is a paycut, and quality of life hit to everyone, except those that fly all the time already, or get the 100 hr minimum, such as the training department.
04-30-2017 | 11:37 AM
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So $23,000 equates to $25.5/hr more across the board if you use 75 hr guarantee. If you use 83 hr it's less $ per hour. Where's the pay cutt? If anything it's very close to the same. If you make more per hour gives you more opportunity to make more. Ex: FO pay is $30/hr plus $25.5 = $55.5 = $50,000+$10000 new hire bonus= $60000. Senior 900 CA $89+25.5=$114.5/hr. I may be missing the bigger picture.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
04-30-2017 | 12:25 PM
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The bonus would be blended into rates at a lower rate than $25.5, it would be based on the average 83.3, meaning $23hr. 75 x 12, is 900 x $23 is $20,700, thus the $23,000 is reduced to that $20,700 for all pilots. You have to pick up more flying to make up the difference.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
$68,000
If we increase to 80 hrs/month 5x12=60x $50= $3,000 +$68,000=
$71,000.
Or 85hrs month is another $3,000 to $74,000/yr.
$73/hr x 75 hrs= $5,475 x12= $65,700 /yr
$73/hr x 80 hrs =$5,840 x 12 =$70,080/yr.
$73/hr x 85 hrs=$6,205 x 12 =$74,460/yr.
So it appears that you have to credit 85 hrs or more per month
Otherwise it's a pay cut with a $23/hr raise.
If payscale goes to $75/hr x 75 hrs=$5,625 x12= $67,500
$75/hr x 80hrs= $6,000 x12 = $72,000/yr
$75/hr x 85hrs = $6,375 x 12=$76,500/yr.
But with a $25/hr raise its basically a break even if you credit only 75hrs/month otherwise its a raise
04-30-2017 | 01:44 PM
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The bonus would be blended into rates at a lower rate than $25.5, it would be based on the average 83.3, meaning $23hr. 75 x 12, is 900 x $23 is $20,700, thus the $23,000 is reduced to that $20,700 for all pilots. You have to pick up more flying to make up the difference.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
The proposal looks good on paper, in practice it is a disaster to most.
04-30-2017 | 03:11 PM
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