Those MSP guys are going to be in for quite a shock if they bid DTW or ATL...a nearly impossible commute....S3B1 and JS priority on Delta will not help them. if they were smart they would go to NYC...and I am not saying that just because I am in DTW....

Ugh, I will be one of the first to get displaced from MSP and commute for the first time in 10 years. Absolutely dreading it. Probably be able to hold a 16-17 day off line in either of the New York bases though. That's what I am leaning towards at the moment. Is either one an easier commute? LGA has 7 flights, JFK has 4, ATL has 11...

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08-15-2017 | 04:29 PM

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Mesabah

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Yea, CA is probably gonna go pretty senior but FO no one knows. Few slots in NY should be posted

Implied there will be very little if no 200 slots, but you never know. Said that 900 is the growth plane moving forward.

Then a bunch of negotiations updates, nothing you haven't read in a Hotline. Slow going. Trying for long call, looks good. Positive space commuter (2nd try) like DL has. Trying for more per diem. 83 hrs is the number..... Again, these were just updates on priorities. "Shooting" for Q1 2018 vote, but that sounded hopeful. Don't expect anything this year.

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More per diem is good, positive space for commuters is very good, long call is a waste, 83 is not acceptable unless it comes with a $3 hr raise at least. Vacation slide, AFTER the schedules come out, would be awesome too.

08-15-2017 | 04:33 PM

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brettj72

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Why is long call a waste? Allows people that commute to reserve to sit at home until they are given an assignment. Seems like a pretty good deal for something that would cost the company almost nothing.

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08-15-2017 | 04:49 PM

#15164

Mesabah

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In theory, but I have actually sat long call here, and is was miserable. You are first out for everything, for any base, including CDO's. The company does not want you sitting at home unusable.

08-15-2017 | 05:07 PM

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KINGnAIR

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First Timer Here!!

Can someone please explain Endeavor Air pilot's rigs? On Aero Crew News regional contract comparison they have y'all as having zero in this department. An accompanying example of a trip with the rigs included would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

08-15-2017 | 05:25 PM

#15166

KSCessnaDriver

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Originally Posted by brettj72

Is that just Delta flights? Honestly, if I were going to commute big city to big city, I'd be looking at how many even playing field jumpseat opportunities I've got, versus DL where they can book the thing 3-5 days in advance.

08-15-2017 | 05:35 PM

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Casualinterest

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We don't have trip rigging except on 5 day trips. Minimum 4 hour guarantee for every day you are on duty but they rig 5 days up to 25 hours if it doesn't pass it naturally.

From my understanding trip rigging is a mixed bag and not always as great as they sound. Someone with more experience in them can chime in with more perspective.

Friend of mine has some experience in contract negotiations and said that the problem with them is that a rig alone is typically only beneficial with short legs and long airport sits, and if it's a scheduled rig it doesn't kick in if you get extended. A good solid min day is typically better with the block or better model.

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08-15-2017 | 05:36 PM

#15168

brettj72

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesabah

In theory, but I have actually sat long call here, and is was miserable. You are first out for everything, for any base, including CDO's. The company does not want you sitting at home unusable.

I have too (years ago). You are right that they would use you first but it was helpful to the guys who had to commute either way. They would essentially give all the open time to the long call people and use the short call people to cover sick calls. Again, costs the company almost nothing, helps the commuters, and helps the people sitting short call that don't want to work. Seems like a no brainier.

08-15-2017 | 05:36 PM

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slowyourroll

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No trip or duty rigs. 4 hour min day.

08-15-2017 | 05:38 PM

#15170

HeyOneTaco

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When we let the bonus expire and go 6 months without it, we would've came out ahead with accepting the 83 hour proposal. I don't like anyone getting a pay cut on their W-2, but I'm ok with it if sick time, 401k and vacation see an improvement.