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FlyWhite 03-29-2020 07:13 AM

Anyone else have their Sim events canceled in April. My recurrent Loe next week has been pulled? No word from anyone about it.

Kforekyle 03-29-2020 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3015666)
They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.

This is what I was thinking. Makes a lot of sense to me. Let’s hope your right.

Meow1215 03-29-2020 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Kforekyle (Post 3016153)
This is what I was thinking. Makes a lot of sense to me. Let’s hope your right.

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PaloAlto 03-29-2020 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Kforekyle (Post 3016153)
This is what I was thinking. Makes a lot of sense to me. Let’s hope your right.

His post makes absolutely no sense and is just nonsense, like everything else he posts.

DL31082 03-29-2020 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3015666)
They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.

Retirements have now become irrelevant. With the capacity reductions and statements saying that they will be a smaller airline in the future retirements just became a non issue for at least a few years. In a time in which saving money is the most important thing, they are not going to take a cheaper pilot group and make them more expensive. Also SkyWest and Republic both have multi year CPAs, they aren’t going anywhere for awhile.

gojo 03-29-2020 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by DL31082 (Post 3016537)
Retirements have now become irrelevant. With the capacity reductions and statements saying that they will be a smaller airline in the future retirements just became a non issue for at least a few years. In a time in which saving money is the most important thing, they are not going to take a cheaper pilot group and make them more expensive. Also SkyWest and Republic both have multi year CPAs, they aren’t going anywhere for awhile.

The multi year CPA’s in regards to Skywest and Republic are mentioned a lot. I don’t think think they are iron clad in situations like these? Why would Delta or whoever be required to keep paying them when they’re bleeding cash? Maybe I’m misinterpreting you, in that you’re talking about the whole company, and not reductions? I don’t know. I’ve never seen these contracts. H$!! I probably wouldn’t understand them anyway

Kforekyle 03-29-2020 05:27 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t bringing Endeavor in house remove the passenger ratio restriction that is in Delta’s contract. Allowing them in the near future to fill up the smaller aircraft with Delta pax that would normally be flown by the larger a/c. Seams like that could be a quick fix for now.

Flogger 03-29-2020 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3015666)
They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.

I hope you remember DL's history with their wholly owneds? And we all know how friendly NW was to their regionals?

Mesabah 03-29-2020 05:42 PM

We're not getting stapled. They could have stapled Comair to save millions on shutdown costs, they did not.

Yumyum 03-29-2020 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 3016615)
I hope you remember DL's history with their wholly owneds? And we all know how friendly NW was to their regionals?

this situation is like trying to figure what to fix first. A nose bleed or heart attack. History is irrelevant. The entire economy is in shambles and airlines will be the last to recover.


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