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Mesabah 04-07-2020 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Rayjay (Post 3026591)
It would be 90% if DL furloughs 1500+ and they all flow down to Endeavor.

That’s not what is required in their contract, it’s only 35 aircraft.

DeltaCorrectons 04-07-2020 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3026606)
That’s not what is required in their contract, it’s only 35 aircraft.

so in your mind 35 aircraft equals only 350 pilots flow down but I’d have to see how it is written. The way everyone talks about it sounds like Delta gets pilot furloughed they come to Endeavor with no set number. Only set number is 35 aircraft to be parked but I don’t see or haven’t heard 350 is the max to flow down.

WhiskeyDelta 04-07-2020 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3026606)
That’s not what is required in their contract, it’s only 35 aircraft.



There’s no direct relationship between the 35 RJs and the number of jobs offered to Delta furloughees. In fact, the only limiting number in the Compass LOA is 90% of Compass pilot slots were to be reserved for flow downs.

All the LOA says is if Compass ceases to exist then Delta has to find a replacement for potential furloughed mainline pilots or permanently park 35 RJs. Yes, they are most likely currently in compliance. As long as they are parked this isn’t an issue as far as I can tell. If traffic picks back then it could get contentious as mainline will be required to find someone to replace Compass with respect to this LOA. Does that mean the entire LOA as written is required to be agreed to by the DCI carrier? I have no idea and that’s my biggest question right now.

Myfingershurt 04-07-2020 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons (Post 3026612)
so in your mind 35 aircraft equals only 350 pilots flow down but I’d have to see how it is written. The way everyone talks about it sounds like Delta gets pilot furloughed they come to Endeavor with no set number. Only set number is 35 aircraft to be parked but I don’t see or haven’t heard 350 is the max to flow down.

The agreement in question only protected a small number of delta furloughs. I thought it was 500 but it might be 350.

Mesabah 04-07-2020 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3026636)
There’s no direct relationship between the 35 RJs and the number of jobs offered to Delta furloughees. In fact, the only limiting number in the Compass LOA is 90% of Compass pilot slots were to be reserved for flow downs.

All the LOA says is if Compass ceases to exist then Delta has to find a replacement for potential furloughed mainline pilots or permanently park 35 RJs. Yes, they are most likely currently in compliance. As long as they are parked this isn’t an issue as far as I can tell. If traffic picks back then it could get contentious as mainline will be required to find someone to replace Compass with respect to this LOA. Does that mean the entire LOA as written is required to be agreed to by the DCI carrier? I have no idea and that’s my biggest question right now.

We have a Bridge Agreement for a minimal number of aircraft over the next several years. If they were to flush the entire Endeavor group, most of us would go on paid leave for several years. That's why that's likely not going to happen. In fact, as I posted before, the cheapest option if DALPA holds Delta to those flow down terms, would be to staple and flush Endeavor, that way they don't have to buy out the Bridge Agreement for hundreds of millions.

Rayjay 04-07-2020 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3026648)
We have a Bridge Agreement for a minimal number of aircraft over the next several years. If they were to flush the entire Endeavor group, most of us would go on paid leave for several years. That's why that's likely not going to happen. In fact, as I posted before, the cheapest option if DALPA holds Delta to those flow down terms, would be to staple and flush Endeavor, that way they don't have to buy out the Bridge Agreement for hundreds of millions.

Staple us then dump the pilots? If the bridge agreement terms are true, we definitely should not allow for a flow down. Unless, the language for a flow up is strong. Very strong.

Rayjay 04-07-2020 04:53 PM

And would the 35 RJs be permanently parked for just until the last DL pilot is recalled?

WhiskeyDelta 04-07-2020 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by Rayjay (Post 3026659)
And would the 35 RJs be permanently parked for just until the last DL pilot is recalled?



That’s my understanding, yes.

WhiskeyDelta 04-07-2020 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3026648)
We have a Bridge Agreement for a minimal number of aircraft over the next several years. If they were to flush the entire Endeavor group, most of us would go on paid leave for several years. That's why that's likely not going to happen. In fact, as I posted before, the cheapest option if DALPA holds Delta to those flow down terms, would be to staple and flush Endeavor, that way they don't have to buy out the Bridge Agreement for hundreds of millions.



Is that Bridge Agreement available on DeltaNet?


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web500sjc 04-07-2020 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3026667)
Is that Bridge Agreement available on DeltaNet?


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no. It is available on the EDV ALPA website.


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