Wow you all need to get some hobbies before you have a stroke...

This. Those aircraft don't all have to come from 9E.

Also, if DL doesn't come back as big as it was, then those planes might not matter anyway.

I am a bit confused on your last statement. Delta can’t just take a seat out of 35 airplanes and call it good. The language in the PWA says 35 aircraft not 35 seats so when things start to recover unless Delta get’s a flow down they will be out 35 large RJs. I also agree with you that the planes don’t have to come from EDV and it’s way to early to even say where these come from if they will even be needed by then.

I don't always agree with mesabah, but when I do it's uncomfortable.....

Jk. But yea I'm kinda torn on this. On the one hand, that would screw a good number of guys at the bottom and bump me so far back into the right seat I'd have to sell my bars on eBay.

But at the same time, looking long term, what can we get out of it that protects our jobs and gives us something to look forward to. Idk...

I agree not all the aircraft have to come from 9E. They can’t take 1 seat out of 35 aircraft and call it good. Delta has scope on the number of 50 seat, 51-70 seat, and 71-76 seat aircraft. All of those, except maybe 50 seaters, are scoped out. The only options for Delta are try to negotiate to get rid of the flow down LOA, remove the aircraft, or negotiate a flow down with a regional partner.

Scope, like anything else at the moment should be negotiable. Delta and Endeavor should be looking at what is best for the whole business and nothing should be off the table.

As of today, this is what we know about the May schedule:



· There is a 50% reduction in block hours versus plan in the May schedule.

· Low aircraft utilization in the May schedule.

o Two-class ~6.9 hours per day versus 10.8 hours per day in March 2020

o Single class ~ 5.0 hours per day versus 9.7 hours per day in March 2020

· The majority of line-holders will be awarded at or near minimum days off.

· There will be a reduction in flight frequency to existing markets, making long sits at outstations common.

· There will be a significant rise in deadheads (air and ground) to get crew members in position.


Correct me if I’m wrong, but does this make any sense!

My theory is they are trying to get more people to sign up for unpaid leave in order to have any sort of time off. They probably figure they have to pay us min. guarantee so they might as well use us as many days as possible. It is terrible for morale and, in my opinion, not the "right" thing to do for employees. That's my best guess as to the reasoning behind it, though. Also, good luck commuting if you don't live in base...

We have a large number of commuters in NYC. They're gunion and company) going to have to figure it out. I had problems from DFW. I couldn't imagine commuting from a smaller town.

Not justifying it. Cause it sucks. But my understanding is that there are fewer flights per day, leading to very unproductive lines. The solver still has to build as close a line to 75 as possible which means flying more days. They can't just stack more flying up per day if there aren't more flights. And the alternative would be putting the whole company on reserve.