JonGoodsell764

I'm really not so sure of that. I think like with all things, the camp in the minority is generally the loudest. I'd love for the union to send out some sort of poll.

pad39a

2+ years here, never seen a poll or survey from the union asking the pilot group what they want. In my conversations with fellow pilots a majority of those would prioritize work rules improvements over progression anyway. Progression would not benefit all pilots here.

In my recurrent classes the union hasn’t even asked us what we want. Just been a loosely organized Q&A. Which I’m fine with, but it’s not an accurate sampling of the pilot group’s opinion.

i am glad to be a member of our union and I think the new administration is doing a great job. But no matter how we try to redefine the progression for all campaign, whatever pros or cons it had pre-C19, I don’t think it’s classy to wear the orange lanyard when 1100+ and likely soon to be more regional pilots, and soon to be mainline pilots, are on the street.

Meow1215

They do, additionally and perhaps this can’t be stated enough - call your rep!

They make decisions based on drivers, guess what the most common driver is?

ninerdriver

I'm 2+ years here as well, and I definitely recall a survey. Keep an eye on the union emails, and always talk to your reps.

pad39a

I should have been more specific. There have been surveys on pairing construction, and on how the union communicates with us. There has never been a survey that I’ve seen generally ‘taking the temperature’ of the pilot group regarding what we would like the union to bargain for on our behalf. I assume there was a lot of that prior to contract negotiations, but I’d be curious to see a survey to clarify where the pilot group stands now on initiatives like career progression in comparison to other issues.

jethikoki

Yes the job of the union is to protect and fight for the pilot group. Unfortunately they fail at it when representing a regional pilot group against a mainline. Mainlines also fail the regionals when they give contracted out flying to non-union companies that is not allowed at their own mainline.
The union also has failed historically by allowing non-union pilots hired into mainlines over the regionals pilots. Not saying military or part 135 or where ever they obtained their experience didn't deserve to be hired they more than likely did deserve the job but before the hiring boom began for every non regional pilot that was hired on with the mainlines was one less that could have came from a regional thus stagnating the regionals process in the system. People that make it to higher levels in the regionals get comfortable with good schedules and good enough pay and family life to move on to start at the bottom again at mainlines. This is the rub. Also why is it OK for a mainline to buy a regional and if they like can desolve the regional company and put all pilots on the street but the mainline cannot do the same to another mainline?

I hope I am wrong about this but I think history will repeat itself again with regionals getting their most senior positions filled and the system stagnated again with little hiring at the mainline and the what hiring that occurs, not enough comming from regionals. If regionals were on a level playing field and would tend to agree with you more and working years at a regional definitely does not make someone lazy. One thing that could be done is provide the same hiring standards in the beginning accross the board. Then we wouldn't have to hear the lame excuses like, "you haven't been vetted!

JonGoodsell764

Exactly my point. I believe the new union leadership to be much much better than who was representing the pilot group previously. However, continuing to push the progression campaign, whichever iteration they disguise it as now, is disrespectful and frankly delusional. The blood will flow in October and 9E will be lucky to still be around. Thats not sensationalism its just the facts. This isn't a time to go on the offensive by any means, its a time to batten down the hatches and prepare to weather the storm. IIRC the all pilot conference call even said the company unequivocally shut down the progression for concession discusion with zero gray area. Give it a rest already with the orange.

JonGoodsell764

I agree the system is unfair, but thats not specific to Endeavor.
Thats the entire regional model. My point was not to say that if you spend your career at a regional you're lazy, and if thats how it was taken I'd like to correct that. My point is, if you want guaranteed progression for merely showing up then head over to Envoy and take the beating, low pay, and work rules for your 'guaranteed' spot. BTW, hows their flow time looking these days? Infinite? I'd much rather have the contract EDV has and earn it on my own then sit around for who knows how long and wait for my number to get called. I guess im old school and understand life isnt fair and im not owed anything by anyone for flying a clapped out RJ. Thats okay, someone is always going to have it better than me and someone is always going to have it worse. I'll work hard and see where the chips fall. But I've got enough money allocated towards my own progression. Dont need/want the union hearding me to Delta, which isnt where I want to end up anyway.

PaloAlto

Endeavor will be lucky to be around? So far the facts point towards Endeavor doing better than the other remaining DCI carriers...

whoareyou311

Ah ok we see your true colors here now....bend over yes man in the house!! Congrats on another dumb A** post award. Next.....9E lucky to be around?? seems like you are getting your facts mixed up.