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05-16-2020, 12:39 AM
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[QUOTE=Woger Wabbit;3056672]
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
Originally Posted by flyguy727
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/delta...tml[/QUOTE]
Even if that article were true, “overstaffed by 7000 pilots” doesn’t mean you lay-off 7000 pilots. Especially in this uncertain climate. How many training events is that? How much $ is that? What if things pick up sooner than expected? Now you’re way behind the curve to bring people back, which adds even more training. Unless they plan on keeping that group furloughed for more than a year (maybe longer), it may be cheaper to pay reduced lines and not incur the extra shuffling costs.
Truth is, nobody knows what’s gonna happen until we see load capacities in the fall.
Even if that article were true, “overstaffed by 7000 pilots” doesn’t mean you lay-off 7000 pilots. Especially in this uncertain climate. How many training events is that? How much $ is that? What if things pick up sooner than expected? Now you’re way behind the curve to bring people back, which adds even more training. Unless they plan on keeping that group furloughed for more than a year (maybe longer), it may be cheaper to pay reduced lines and not incur the extra shuffling costs.
Truth is, nobody knows what’s gonna happen until we see load capacities in the fall.
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
05-16-2020, 06:16 AM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;3057174]
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
Ok Boomer.
Originally Posted by Woger Wabbit
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
05-16-2020, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rayjay
Do you mind explaining why? It's okay to have this opinion, but why zero furloughs?
05-16-2020, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rayjay
It’s not good. I’m guessing ExpressJet is setting up to furlough 700+ pilots or 60% of the pilot group come October. It’s cheaper to downgrade and keep the majority of the group on FO wages. This should be a wake up call. With that being said, KK at United did say the 50 seater is coming to an end at United. Im hopeful that we have a better relationship with Delta than ExpressJet does with United. To think it will take a DOH of 2000 to hold CA at a regional is unfathomable.
I'm not saying that couldn't happen here, but the cards have been stacked against XJT for awhile. The latest word is XJT needs to staff for 40 planes in October.
05-16-2020, 11:46 AM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;3057174]
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
Yep, I’m still a rookie at year 13.
Originally Posted by Woger Wabbit
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
05-16-2020, 12:51 PM
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[QUOTE=flyguy727;3057174]
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
Oh so you’ve been through a pandemic mass parking of AC before ? Can you tell me how the last one played out papa ?
Originally Posted by Woger Wabbit
You can always tell who's new to he industry. You kids,, need to pay attention to your elders when they speak. I been furlough, and stuck in a FO seat for longer than some of you have flt hrs as captains
They dont care about training events, because there will be no training, other than recurrent. They will cut to the bone, like they have always done, and when they call back,, they don't call back what they need,, just a few guys at a time. There will be no flows, until the last guy gets called back, so expect to sit, if you are lucky, as an FO for a long time Capts, it might not even be worth to go to the majors, by that time, you will be making top dollar, jumping over will mean a substantial paycut, especially after this, all salaries are going to be renegotiated.
Good luck to all of you.
05-16-2020, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
Oh so you’ve been through a pandemic mass parking of AC before ? Can you tell me how the last one played out papa ?
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