Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
06-09-2016, 06:52 PM
#5091
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Originally Posted by gojo
And who exactly do you think their alliance is too. Clue, think puppet and and strings. Just because Endeavor management is in MSP doesn't mean they're off on their own island. For God's sake, while we are not Delta, we are an extension of Delta. Always have been. Weather we were Mesaba/Pinnacle, or Endeavor. Pinneacle and Mesaba management just simply followed the orders of mainline weather it was Northwest or Delta. Where regionals have an advantage (non wholly owned) like Skywest or Republic is the ability to be self sufficient. Meaning financing the airframes themselves. If mainline can keep some of these investments off their books it gives them a better credit rating and more buying power for the bigger stuff
If TW said he wanted to give us a million dollars in pay rates, that isn't a statement from DL. Read RG's updates. He is very careful with his words.
06-09-2016, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mistek89
oh ok I was under the impression that once you credit anything over 85 its at 150 %
My line is 75 hours usually so anything I pick up is 150% and I usually credit 130+ hours.
06-09-2016, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1
Just to clarify, ALL open time is 150%, whether or not you are over 85 hours. On top of that, if you allow the company to assign you additional credit, anything assigned over 85 is 150% as well.
My line is 75 hours usually so anything I pick up is 150% and I usually credit 130+ hours.
My line is 75 hours usually so anything I pick up is 150% and I usually credit 130+ hours.
06-10-2016, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
There is only one person in MSP who is privy to the DL-know. That is Gumm. EVERYONE else like you and I, are the puppets.
If TW said he wanted to give us a million dollars in pay rates, that isn't a statement from DL. Read RG's updates. He is very careful with his words.
If TW said he wanted to give us a million dollars in pay rates, that isn't a statement from DL. Read RG's updates. He is very careful with his words.
06-10-2016, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Once daddy Delta gets their C-Series jets, they will no longer need Endeavor. The retention bonuses end at the same time that the C-Series come online. That is not a coincidence. That is "Delta Planning".
Once that date hits, there will be no retention bonus. Pay will drop back to where it was. Half of the pilots at Endeavor will leave, and that is exactly what Delta wants. There will be no unemployment to pay. No contract to deal with. The pilots will naturally leave and Delta won.
Delta has already said that they were moving away from regional aircraft and having to rely on regional feeders. Has no one paid attention to it?
The end date of Endeavor has already been published and people are still flocking there for a couple of extra dollars a year in pay. Then, 2 years from now, they will be new FOs at some other regional. Back on first year pay, on reserve, with no seniority or longevity to their name.
Pilots are short-sighted.
Once that date hits, there will be no retention bonus. Pay will drop back to where it was. Half of the pilots at Endeavor will leave, and that is exactly what Delta wants. There will be no unemployment to pay. No contract to deal with. The pilots will naturally leave and Delta won.
Delta has already said that they were moving away from regional aircraft and having to rely on regional feeders. Has no one paid attention to it?
The end date of Endeavor has already been published and people are still flocking there for a couple of extra dollars a year in pay. Then, 2 years from now, they will be new FOs at some other regional. Back on first year pay, on reserve, with no seniority or longevity to their name.
Pilots are short-sighted.
I don't know who this guy is but he's severely misguided! The C series are replacements for the MD lift, not the 900's! EB has even said so on some of their weekly updates on DLnet. Yes, they're moving away from 200's and 145's but the two class regionals are here to stay. Overheard at pizza lunch that our management is operating under the assumption that the NY 200's are place/pilot holders to be replaced with more two class at a later date. Presumably either pending another operators exit or change to scope on the DL contract. EB has stated that they intend to being all the flying "in house" within the next five years. It's pretty clear that we are part of "in house" and to shareholders that is true.
Furthermore, your assertion regarding the C series assumes zero capacity growth. In the current marketplace that would be share price suicide. It would not surprise me if they end up stretching out the retirements of the MD's as a cheap way to add capacity even after the C's are fully up and running. I expect we'll see the full C series order placed too, and many of them upgraded to the 300's.
06-10-2016, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Once daddy Delta gets their C-Series jets, they will no longer need Endeavor. The retention bonuses end at the same time that the C-Series come online. That is not a coincidence. That is "Delta Planning".
Once that date hits, there will be no retention bonus. Pay will drop back to where it was. Half of the pilots at Endeavor will leave, and that is exactly what Delta wants. There will be no unemployment to pay. No contract to deal with. The pilots will naturally leave and Delta won.
Delta has already said that they were moving away from regional aircraft and having to rely on regional feeders. Has no one paid attention to it?
The end date of Endeavor has already been published and people are still flocking there for a couple of extra dollars a year in pay. Then, 2 years from now, they will be new FOs at some other regional. Back on first year pay, on reserve, with no seniority or longevity to their name.
Pilots are short-sighted.
Once that date hits, there will be no retention bonus. Pay will drop back to where it was. Half of the pilots at Endeavor will leave, and that is exactly what Delta wants. There will be no unemployment to pay. No contract to deal with. The pilots will naturally leave and Delta won.
Delta has already said that they were moving away from regional aircraft and having to rely on regional feeders. Has no one paid attention to it?
The end date of Endeavor has already been published and people are still flocking there for a couple of extra dollars a year in pay. Then, 2 years from now, they will be new FOs at some other regional. Back on first year pay, on reserve, with no seniority or longevity to their name.
Pilots are short-sighted.
06-10-2016, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BATOL
I don't know who this guy is but he's severely misguided! The C series are replacements for the MD lift, not the 900's! EB has even said so on some of their weekly updates on DLnet. Yes, they're moving away from 200's and 145's but the two class regionals are here to stay. Overheard at pizza lunch that our management is operating under the assumption that the NY 200's are place/pilot holders to be replaced with more two class at a later date. Presumably either pending another operators exit or change to scope on the DL contract. EB has stated that they intend to being all the flying "in house" within the next five years. It's pretty clear that we are part of "in house" and to shareholders that is true.
Furthermore, your assertion regarding the C series assumes zero capacity growth. In the current marketplace that would be share price suicide. It would not surprise me if they end up stretching out the retirements of the MD's as a cheap way to add capacity even after the C's are fully up and running. I expect we'll see the full C series order placed too, and many of them upgraded to the 300's.
Furthermore, your assertion regarding the C series assumes zero capacity growth. In the current marketplace that would be share price suicide. It would not surprise me if they end up stretching out the retirements of the MD's as a cheap way to add capacity even after the C's are fully up and running. I expect we'll see the full C series order placed too, and many of them upgraded to the 300's.
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