Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
#5211
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You are certainly one of the few lucky ones who got in early and at the right time. Those who start tomorrow will not have your fortune. I understand your selfish motivation to continue perpetuating the lies of your recruiters, for if no one else starts at the bottom you will not continue upward on the list. I just do not agree with your tactics to continue to promote false facts to entice new applicants.
So you're saying you don't even work at endeavor but you're now an expert on Delta's wholly owned.....oookkkk....I still don't understand how the end of the regional model means a new hire today will be jobless in a year. You also neglect the fact that regionals are still cheaper than mainline flying right now. Labor is still cheaper, and fuel is much cheaper.
#5213
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Did not say that. However, to quote your elegant style ATTENTION ALL NEW HIRES!! BE INFORMED THAT THE "FACTS" POSTED HERE ARE NOT FULL TRUTHS. that capslock yelling is exhausting.
If any instructors would like my opinion on where to go, too bad I am not offering any. I do not advocate for any regional in particular.
However, I do advocate for truth and I feel empathetic for those in the instructing world as I was for years. It is difficult to sort through all the "facts" posted on this forum by biased parties. My intention is only to shed some light on their lies and get some answers to questions that are very important to new hires even though they may not understand the industry enough to ask. Questions which still have been avoided by the lifers on this forum wishing to pull the wool over the eyes of new hires. Lifers and recruiters, please address the following for potential new hires,
How many captains and fos remain on the seniority list who have failed the SSP interview?
What will the pay scale be for FO's after the bonuses expire?
These are important to address because if delta has already said no twice to the captains and fo's who were eligible for the pre bankruptcy SSP interview, where would a new hire expect them to go? In my opinion, the majority of those captains will remain at endeavor until they retire. In that case, how will any new hires upgrade?
How many years will it be for someone hired tomorrow to be eligible to spend two years as a 9E captain before having a 50/50 shot at a Delta job?
If any instructors would like my opinion on where to go, too bad I am not offering any. I do not advocate for any regional in particular.
However, I do advocate for truth and I feel empathetic for those in the instructing world as I was for years. It is difficult to sort through all the "facts" posted on this forum by biased parties. My intention is only to shed some light on their lies and get some answers to questions that are very important to new hires even though they may not understand the industry enough to ask. Questions which still have been avoided by the lifers on this forum wishing to pull the wool over the eyes of new hires. Lifers and recruiters, please address the following for potential new hires,
How many captains and fos remain on the seniority list who have failed the SSP interview?
What will the pay scale be for FO's after the bonuses expire?
These are important to address because if delta has already said no twice to the captains and fo's who were eligible for the pre bankruptcy SSP interview, where would a new hire expect them to go? In my opinion, the majority of those captains will remain at endeavor until they retire. In that case, how will any new hires upgrade?
How many years will it be for someone hired tomorrow to be eligible to spend two years as a 9E captain before having a 50/50 shot at a Delta job?
If you worked at Endeavor you could answer your own questions and post numbers. Don't try to act like an expert by saying buzz words like pre-bankruptcy and SSP.
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#5214
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Most likely this is a disgruntled ex-9E pilot who has since moved to PSA and still can't get over the fact that this place is actually a decent place to work now.
#5215
If it's the end of the regionals, then how are "lifers" going to run out the clock, and how are FOs going to stay at the bottom of the barrel. You are right, Delta is a difficult place to be hired, but they all are. Majors taking more flying in house is a GOOD thing. That coupled with mandatory retirements means it can only get easier to be hired, never mind how much left seat time you have. This is all assuming that every captain on the seniority list fails the SSP and stays a captain for the rest of their career at 9E, which is one of the more idiotic things I've heard. You also overestimate how many qualified military pilots there really are. Believe it or not, the military is facing a shortage as well...
I absolutely agree with you, it is the best thing for you, me, and everyone else with more than 5 years remaining before retirement that Delta brings regional flying back to the mainline certificate. And as you pointed out, increased retirements, along with reduced military separation, means a greater percentage of pilots will come from the civilian world than previously experienced. Also you make a good point that being a regional captain is and will be less important for getting hired at a major than it previously was. However, new hires should not be misinformed that upgrades will continue to come fast at 9E. My opinon is that the will not.
In addition, the "Delta Interview" promoted by 9E recruiters requires upgrading at 9E and then spending another 2 years as a captain with a good record before being eligible to interview. My opinion is that a Delta interview can be had just as easily by going to any other regional and therefore not worth considering when chosing a career path, unlike the lifes and recruiters on here would like you to believe.
My opinion is that keeping your training record clean, getting your friends already hired to give you recommendations, upgrading when you can, working in the training dept or management, getting an advanced degree, volunteering in your community, and etc are the keys to getting hired at a mainline. NOT going to any particular regional.
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Maybe if something changes, but from what I can tell all the captain positions will be taken by the pre-bankruptcy captains and fos who were not hired by the SSP. If so then how can a new hire ever expect to get a Delta interview if they are required to upgrade and then spend another two years as an endeavor captain before even being eligible for a chance at a delta interview?
#5217
So you're saying you don't even work at endeavor but you're now an expert on Delta's wholly owned.....oookkkk....I still don't understand how the end of the regional model means a new hire today will be jobless in a year. You also neglect the fact that regionals are still cheaper than mainline flying right now. Labor is still cheaper, and fuel is much cheaper.
Please feel free to back up any "facts" your recruiters or lifers have posted. I have only expressed my opinion.
#5218
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You are certainly one of the few lucky ones who got in early and at the right time. Those who start tomorrow will not have your fortune. I understand your selfish motivation to continue perpetuating the lies of your recruiters, for if no one else starts at the bottom you will not continue upward on the list. I just do not agree with your tactics to continue to promote false facts to entice new applicants.
PSA pilot who is butt hurt...I should have figured.
#5219
I do not advocate any new hire chose one particular regional over another. I DO advocate that new hires be given truthful information to base their career decisions on and not the biased lies that lifers and recruiters want to perpetuate on this forum to achieve their own agenda. To that end, if you would like to help new hires by posting the true number of hundreds of pilots who have failed to goto delta with their guaranteed interview and pay scales after the bonuses end so that new hires can have factual information to base their career decisions on it would be much appreciated.
Last edited by ProverseYaw; 06-15-2016 at 05:50 PM.
#5220
Look under the PSA Info Thread. You'll see plenty of 9E lifer/recruitment posts, especially with a green tractor avatar, spreading recruitment lies.
Again instead of avoiding my questions and trying the smear campaign tactic, show some facts. I'll start, FACT I never said who I work for currently or advocated for any new hires to go anywhere in particular.
You're up. How many captains and fo's were denied employment by Delta after their guaranteed interview? How many of them will retire in the next 10 years and not be going anywhere? How many planes will 9E park when Delta brings the regional routes back to mainline when the C Series orders being delivery in 2017? When the retention bonuses expire will 9E compensation return to the current contract's industry worst rates?
Again instead of avoiding my questions and trying the smear campaign tactic, show some facts. I'll start, FACT I never said who I work for currently or advocated for any new hires to go anywhere in particular.
You're up. How many captains and fo's were denied employment by Delta after their guaranteed interview? How many of them will retire in the next 10 years and not be going anywhere? How many planes will 9E park when Delta brings the regional routes back to mainline when the C Series orders being delivery in 2017? When the retention bonuses expire will 9E compensation return to the current contract's industry worst rates?
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