I'm not saying having 3 failures is the end of your dream job at the legacy someday, but all I'm saying is you're competing with 10000 pilots with a better record and when it comes to hiring people with similar experiences they will select the one with few failure.

Where would you draw the line as deal breaker regarding failures? 3? 4? 5? 6?

All I'm saying is why not go to a WO with a flow compare to a regional without one if you already have some obstacles (in this case failures).

 

^^^^^^^^^^This times two.

 

I was not disagreeing with you. I think your plan sounds spot on.

 

I think I am looking at it from a different perspective being a military flier. Maybe we aren't the majority so we get a little slack. Or different experience. Who knows. You guys are the pros, I am still flying for big green.

 

Wow! Thank you for all of the responses already. 3 pages of great info in a short amount of time. I know there are things I wasn't considering, so thanks!

 

Approximately how long is ORD 145 reserve?

 

I personally would choose the airline that had bases where I wanted to live. Everything else will come. It's not a race to the top. Enjoy the journey as much as possible. Always going after what gives you the fastest route to the top isn't always the most enjoyable in my opinion.

In regards to checkrides being obstacles, I don't really see it. I just make adjustments in other areas to outshine those and discuss how those failures shaped my progression as an aviator. I personally wouldn't put a checkride failure cutoff unless it was sequential failures of same checkride which show failure to adapt.

 

Trust me, I know how we all learn from our mistakes and have no doubt it helped us grow as aviator, but saying 3 failed check rides doesn't have an impact on one's career progression is simply not true.
This came directly from a legacy recruiting captain I spoke to recently, having 1 failure is ok but when u saying 3,4,5...they view it as a pattern and rather not risk training you compared to those that doesn't have any.

All I'm saying is, it's not impossible but certainly more challenging.

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So out of curiosity, would you say they would not train me with three failures from 12 years ago even though I have done numerous military courses, flight safety, etc with 7 types in rotary and fixed? I'm not being argumentative I am trying to figure it out since I will be in those shoes. My buddies at the majors have had issues, none seem to have had issues getting hired. What do you think?

I'm around 3300TT with 700 more coming soon. All Turbine FW Multi. Have about 500 jet PIC and 2700 PIC with 1500 Turbine FW PIC

Patterns can be fixed.

My plan was to shoot for the majors and if that didn't work first go around hit up a regional for a year and get 121 time and show I can succeed in that environment and retry. If that doesn't work after 12 months head over to astan to contract and make $$$ then reassess

 

IMO, I think it's all about how you explain the failed checkrides in the interview, as many have said it's probably not the end of the world, but do you own up to it, did you learn from it, etc. The key is getting the opportunity to be able to explain it. While I don't think it would be a deal breaker for most companies, the reality is that you have thousands and thousands of qualified people that don't have any failures. At the end of the day, it's a matter of gettting the interview.....if you're lucky enough to get a interview, it really shouldn't be a huge deal to explain it, and not have it affect the outcome. Numerous professional failures imo would be a different scenario.

Not to **** on your wheaties, but your times are good, but I wouldn't say it's anything that's going to "wow" a major. Not saying it can't happen, but we all know a lot of people with much higher times and qualification who can't get a phone call. I think your plan of getting on with a regional and spending some time there would be well worth your time.