Avroman

I wanted TW to walk into court with 3000 resignation letters in hand and tell the judge that if he imposed that crap contract this company would shut its doors in 2 weeks, no orderly wind down over the next year... 2 weeks and good luck replacing all that lift.
Unfortunately there were lots of FO's that already had jobs lined up elsewhere that voted yes just to get the "transition payout" and lots of guys that voted yes based on that fraud of an SSP that we were all sold as basically a flow. I bet the vote would have been much less certain without those to factors.
Yes I'm a poker player, I'm willing to take a risk to win... If you don't take the risks you end up blinded out of the game. That's why we've been taking home less and less year over year for many years compared to inflation. We, as a profession haven't been willing to collectively take the risk so we've been getting blinded out of the game.


Getting back on topic, NOT ONE PILOT should see any decrease in pay rolling the bonus into the pay. Not the reserves, not the CDO lineholders, not the regular lineholders that can/want to credit just the minimum 75 hours per month.

HighFlight

I agree. A reduction in pay is just one more slap in the face, considering regional pilots have been underpaid for several years as it is.

MidLife

Yeah! Unfortunately, catchup for injustice only happens in the PC world - eg affirmative action.... So the fact that regional pilots have been underpaid forever matters not one bit.
This is unregulated private enterprise - capitalism - jungle law. The airlines setup regionals to have a split wage structure - and they can get away with it because there are pilots willing to fly for that lower wage structure.
The legacy pilots working 8-10 days a week making ungodly sums may be a tad overpaid and over QoL'd, while the regional FO, making below poverty line wages and absent QoL (until recently) are opposite ends of the same spectrum. The fact that regional FOs are now making triple what they did scant months ago is a direct result of supply and demand, and entirely unrelated to the decades of inequity. The endless supply of pilots with thousands of turbine hours - acquired at the cost of Joe Taxpayer is over. Now its real people who have to spend real money to get flight hours. New dynamic. New equilibrium.
I wouldnt be surprised if regional pay starts approaching 60-70 % of legacy pilot pay. Equal pay for equal work - dont hold your breath...

wmichflyer

Yet there are still people on these forums today that say we should be ok with a pay cut. Disheartening to say the least.

Av8er1550

Just curious and kind of random I know, when you're scheduled for a high speed trip are you credited 4 hours or 8 hours? Someone told me since you report in two different days that you get 4 hours of min. credit for each day. Or maybe he was speaking of if you have two high speeds together. Just wondering if anyone has any clarification. Thanks.

Skittles9E

4 hours credit total

MidLife

I would say the same. I am applying now, and am ready for whatever comes my way. I have little influence over what I may get paid if hired, thus I will be ok with a pay cut, if that is what transpires. Want to blame someone, blame the public for being willing to take poorer and poorer service as long as the price keeps dropping. Air travel is a cutthroat business and the airlines just pass down the same squeeze to its employees. Hey just see how the Nonpilots get paid.

NeverFlexTO

While upgrades are shortening, what about dragging out FO pay more than 4 years within the compensation in the CBA? I know plenty of people who have way more than 4 years at EDV who would like to be paid what there longevity is...

stillcantfly

So working under bankruptcy pay rates is ok you enjoy donating your time as if we don't donate enough as we are delayed and sitting at the airport etc...... hey hillery your not the sharpest in the shed!

HighFlight

Kettle, meet Pot...