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Old 08-23-2017 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
It's not Envoy's fault at all. But it makes the company cheerleaders and recruiters look even more greasy and dishonest than before - the flow can stop, as it is doing next month, and getting to AA can be delayed, and every lost class can ultimately cost one tens of thousands of dollars down the road.
How is it deceptive though? That's how flow works, if AA isn't hiring then they're simply not hiring (even if only for temporary reasons).
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:07 PM
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How is it deceptive though? That's how flow works, if AA isn't hiring then they're simply not hiring (even if only for temporary reasons).
That certainly is how flow works and I'm not denying that, but the recruiters or company won't tell you that. The way they are approaching it is that it is a guarantee and won't stop for any reason - and that is disingenuous. Flow is an absolutely wonderful thing, but buyer beware, because that projected date could be quite different than reality.
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by havick206
How is it deceptive though? That's how flow works, if AA isn't hiring then they're simply not hiring (even if only for temporary reasons).
I get their point here. The recruiters and the projections they use don't really point out that '**** happens'. If someone was living and dying on the 'you will flow on x date' line, they'd feel stiffed. However, I am with you. If you do your homework, you know this is part of the deal. And really, you shouldn't be making career decisions without doing your homework. And yes, all the more reason to not depend on flow.
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
That certainly is how flow works and I'm not denying that, but the recruiters or company won't tell you that. The way they are approaching it is that it is a guarantee and won't stop for any reason - and that is disingenuous. Flow is an absolutely wonderful thing, but buyer beware, because that projected date could be quite different than reality.
Recruiters shouldn't need to tell you that, it's obvious.
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:16 PM
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Recruiters shouldn't need to tell you that, it's obvious.
For sure, and the onus is certainly on the new hires to do their research - but you must have missed the recruiters on this board - most of which were banned a few months ago for their aggressive tactics. Their incorrect flow projections and disregard of the QOL life issues were used car salesman-esque. They're on another board now.
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
For sure, and the onus is certainly on the new hires to do their research - but you must have missed the recruiters on this board - most of which were banned a few months ago for their aggressive tactics. Their incorrect flow projections and disregard of the QOL life issues were used car salesman-esque. They're on another board now.
If anyone goes to a company based on what a recruiter tells them, more fool them.
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:22 PM
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If anyone goes to a company based on what a recruiter tells them, more fool them.
My original point was there is deception and omission going on By recruitment. We are in agreement on your last post.
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
My original point was there is deception and omission going on By recruitment. We are in agreement on your last post.
There is no omission though, it just doesn't need to be said, it 's obvious. Simple math, 25x0=0
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by havick206
There is no omission though, it just doesn't need to be said, it 's obvious. Simple math, 25x0=0
So when a recruiter tells a new hire "you will flow in 5.5 years" (when flow time is projected to actually be 7.5 years plus) that's not a slimy thing to do?
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Old 08-23-2017 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
So when a recruiter tells a new hire "you will flow in 5.5 years" (when flow time is projected to actually be 7.5 years plus) that's not a slimy thing to do?
The recruitment department isn't saying 5.5 years. That was the old number with the 2.5 year upgrade announcement. Recruitment has increased the flow projection with the increased hiring every month.
I like how everyone called the recruiters disingenuous and liars when they announced 2.5 year upgrades. Now it's soon to be less than a year and you now attack the flow projection.
The recruitment department does not sell the flow like you say. They do not say it is a guarantee. They tell the potential new hires that if AA stops hiring than the flow stops.
Get your facts straight before defaming an entire department.
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