This is from the AA forum:

"Calls are going out for the 7 Nov new hire class. Most of the 28-29 Jun interview group just received invites for this class. According to the AA Pilot Recruitment team, this is the next class after the 5 Sep class. They said that the delay was due to training being backed up."

No official announcement from the company or union yet, but if true, everyone's flow just got bumped back 2 months.

 

They can't mess with the flow.

 

I assume by "they" you mean Envoy management, and you're right, they can't. But, AA can decide not to have classes because of a backup in the training department. No classes = no flow. Envoy management can't do anything about that.

 

Confirmed today. The flow is stopped for the fall. No hires at AA. What next? Maybe lesser amount of pilot flow each month. Envoy in trouble.

 

so the world is going to end because AA I s putting classes on hiatus?

 

Yes... you obviously missed the memo

Well, now is as good of a time as any to make sure your apps are upto date everywhere else.

 

Boy, the trolls really came out of the woodwork, didn't they? The Sep 18th class will be pushed to Oct. One class in Oct, one class in Nov planned. They are still deciding on the second Nov class, and as usual, no classes in DEC.

Training Dept limitations are pushing this. The flow isn't stopping or being "messed with". AA's hiring is ebbing and flowing, like it always has. AA will not hire as many as they stated they would in 2017, which mean, not as many will flow from Envoy as they stated would happen. Status Quo.

 

Well, even if AA had hired as many as they said they would, Envoy still would not have flowed as many as they said. Envoy disingenuously claimed they would flow "330 plus" in 2017. The real maximum it could have been was about 275, and now that is looking more like 250 or less. In 2016, RW claimed we would flow 300+, and we flowed 254.

I completely agree that nobody is "messing with" the flow if AA just chooses not to hire. But AA choosing not to hire, or AA getting backed up in training, has always been a possibility, despite what company salesmen claim. Based on this year and last, perhaps everyone should add about 20% or more to their flow estimate. Especially since if AA can't keep up with training now, they may really have trouble when retirements increase sharply over the next few years. If best case scenario has someone going in 5 years, expect 6+. A new hire today who projects to go in 8 should more realistically expect about 9.5. It's still a guess but the salesmanship exaggerating flow times is frustrating. Flow is obviously still a great benefit, but these delays are a constant disappointment if you don't have a realistic perspective.

 

How is that Envoy's fault though? I'm not a company cheerleader however if AA has training backlogs it doesn't matter whether you're a street hire or flow, a delay in training is a delay in training which has the ripple effect of class dates. It's not as if Envoy has any say in how many classes or how the size of the overall AA classes per month.

We all know that Envoy will not flow more than what is required. Why get bent all out of shape when AA has their own backlog?

 

It's not Envoy's fault at all. But it makes the company cheerleaders and recruiters look even more greasy and dishonest than before - the flow can stop, as it is doing next month, and getting to AA can be delayed, and every lost class can ultimately cost one tens of thousands of dollars down the road.