Flow at 12 Years
10-31-2017 | 08:10 AM
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IMO that should have never been grieved. The company's interpretation is fair. Turn a reserve pilot back a second time or JM a pilot into a day off. I don't see why this is a big deal. Seems pretty straight forward.
Now if you want to talk about inadequate staffing levels then you have something.
Yep they stopped flow and new hires. They are sticking it to EVERYONE. All airlines that had pilots selected to go to AA during most of the last half of this year got screwed by AA. I hate it when AA sticks it to everyone like that.
Now if you want to talk about inadequate staffing levels then you have something.
Yep they stopped flow and new hires. They are sticking it to EVERYONE. All airlines that had pilots selected to go to AA during most of the last half of this year got screwed by AA. I hate it when AA sticks it to everyone like that.
IMO flow will continue for the foreseeable future and the flow rate will not go up because Envoy will always try to grow and succeed even if it means metering the flow.
10-31-2017 | 08:38 AM
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Naw man, I've left Envoy. Done my time there. At LCC now making 164/hr in the left seat of the bus. There are things that could be better but I'll take it over $69 to $73/hour at Envoy is where I would be.
If you are thinking you are one of those getting a 5 or 6 year flow, might want to revisit that with your personal figuring and compare that with the company and the union. Lost decade...sure. That has an effect. It's not in the multi years though. A guy hired today is probably a bit over 8 years to wait, maybe a bit longer.
If you are thinking you are one of those getting a 5 or 6 year flow, might want to revisit that with your personal figuring and compare that with the company and the union. Lost decade...sure. That has an effect. It's not in the multi years though. A guy hired today is probably a bit over 8 years to wait, maybe a bit longer.
I agree. I was part of that “lost decade”. I left Eagle and landed way better off.. don’t let the “flow” carrot dictate your future. Nice back up yes. But don’t count on it as you could waste 5 years of your life before you realize you made a mistake. And then have to start over again..
10-31-2017 | 09:51 AM
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In my opinion, your speculation is irrational exuberance. Every indication points to a flow at the absolute, bare minimum slowest rate possible.
10-31-2017 | 09:54 AM
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You are correct, that is what the contract says, beyond the Protected Pilots.
I am speculating, but once hiring kicks into high gear, market forces will cause AA to renegotiate the flow number back up to the rate at the Protected Pilots, 25 per month.
Anticipated sustained hiring in a few years for the 6 majors (per Boeing press release which matches up with current hiring rates at the majors increased for the increased retirements) will be about 6,000 a year.
The military retirements are about 1,000 a year, so drop that number to 5,000. Recognize some get hired from other sources. Knock another 1,000 off this, make it 4,000. The regionals are about 20,000.
So again, with a bit of math, the hiring rate from the regionals will be about 20,000 / 4,000 per year = 5 years. I have a hard time believing AA will leave flows at 12 years. The market forces will push them to about match this. Otherwise, W.O. recruiting will go to pot.
Again, you may have a different opinion.
I am speculating, but once hiring kicks into high gear, market forces will cause AA to renegotiate the flow number back up to the rate at the Protected Pilots, 25 per month.
Anticipated sustained hiring in a few years for the 6 majors (per Boeing press release which matches up with current hiring rates at the majors increased for the increased retirements) will be about 6,000 a year.
The military retirements are about 1,000 a year, so drop that number to 5,000. Recognize some get hired from other sources. Knock another 1,000 off this, make it 4,000. The regionals are about 20,000.
So again, with a bit of math, the hiring rate from the regionals will be about 20,000 / 4,000 per year = 5 years. I have a hard time believing AA will leave flows at 12 years. The market forces will push them to about match this. Otherwise, W.O. recruiting will go to pot.
Again, you may have a different opinion.
10-31-2017 | 10:22 AM
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10-31-2017 | 10:28 AM
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I couldn't care less as I am in a far superior position to you in your RJ metal with high hopes pinned, all on the flow.
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