Hiring rumors
02-16-2018, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Azorian
is it an expansion with more lines out of an existing base or is it a new base they are shooting for?
i'm a gnats a$$ from deciding that im out as an HVA altogether, it doesnt make sense to sit junior for my entire time at envoy when i could go in as an FO at another regional and be a captain in a year and have nobody upgrading over my head.
i'm a gnats a$$ from deciding that im out as an HVA altogether, it doesnt make sense to sit junior for my entire time at envoy when i could go in as an FO at another regional and be a captain in a year and have nobody upgrading over my head.
At LGA as just one example, The email shows roughly 40% increase on lines. Same goes for a bunch of other bases.
The lineholders of the expansion of lines will mostly be taken up by FO’s who built up their hours with the company (circa mid to late 2016 early 2017 new hires) as they trickle out the other end of uograde training.
02-16-2018, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
Be careful with that. The problem with not enough CAs is no longer unique to Envoy. Skywest apparently is beginning to feel it as well. I’m sure others are going to follow pretty soon.
Endeavor isnt doing forced upgrades (yet)
any of them could resort to that at any time, but whats better... to be 50-100 spots up the seniority list when you get CA, or be at the bottom and get it?
02-16-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Azorian
Pardon my ignorance, but what sense does a hiring freeze make?
sure, perhaps if they are fat on FOs a hiring freeze for FOs... but a hiring freeze all around?
smells of fish
sure, perhaps if they are fat on FOs a hiring freeze for FOs... but a hiring freeze all around?
smells of fish
Rumor Control – New Hire Class Sizes
Of late, much has been made about the last new hire class being 'only' 31 pilots, down from what seems to be a perceived "normal" of well over 50. While, a class of 31 isn't abnormally below the numbers we've seen over the average of the last year, the company has indicated their ability/desire to transition towards smaller numbers in each class. Given the lack of captain-qualified first officers, it doesn't make sense to over-populate the ranks of first officers. In today's environment, we can't imagine the company furloughing FOs, however that is exactly what we would be looking at if they continued to hire 100+ pilots per month (as FOs) and were unable to upgrade a similar number of Captains. The operation would quickly become lopsided, and furloughs could result.
We continue to advocate with management that they recognize the value in compensating our pilots as the industry's leaders, along with recognizing our commitment and sacrifice to AAG by providing unmatched career progression, to create an organic path from newhire to FO to CA. But, until management has a tangible reason to change their attitude towards what matters most to the pilots, there's no logical business reason (in management's eyes) to change what they believe is working for them. And since their classes are full, there is little attrition, and the operation is as dependable as ever, there is little incentive for change.
Rather than make economic and QOL improvements that inspire pilots to upgrade at the first chance, they have chosen to simply throttle-down newhire classes. With fewer new FOs, the Company is better able to match the number of newhires with the small number of FOs that can be involuntarily assigned to CA each month.
Despite the uphill battle, the Envoy MEC will never stop fighting for what's best for our pilots, and each Envoy pilot should never sell themselves short of what they deserve.
Bottom line, this company doesn't need more FOs. They need CAs.
02-16-2018, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Azorian
is it an expansion with more lines out of an existing base or is it a new base they are shooting for?
i'm a gnats a$$ from deciding that im out as an HVA altogether, it doesnt make sense to sit junior for my entire time at envoy when i could go in as an FO at another regional and be a captain in a year and have nobody upgrading over my head.
i'm a gnats a$$ from deciding that im out as an HVA altogether, it doesnt make sense to sit junior for my entire time at envoy when i could go in as an FO at another regional and be a captain in a year and have nobody upgrading over my head.
02-16-2018, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
It seems like you decided that long ago. I'm not sure why you're still so incredibly hung up on the idea. You see through the BS of the HVA, so why not just let it go. Plenty of other viable options out there. Hats off to you for not getting suckered into it. Now, just move on past and head somewhere else that is more promising for your situation.
however, the more i can learn about whats going on, the better informed i'll be.
information i had when i started this pursuit was that upgrades were a year, then they dropped to 6 months so i applied, then i get there and its instant.
but if my discussions here help others in my shoes make their choice as well, what does it hurt?
stuff that makes you go hmmm
02-16-2018, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LowValuAviator
That sinking feeling when you realize that hiring cap/freeze rumors might be true and you're the last guy in the door and probably going to have the LGA/145 2 leg commute, eternal reserve gun to your head.
02-16-2018, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LowValuAviator
That sinking feeling when you realize that hiring cap/freeze rumors might be true and you're the last guy in the door and probably going to have the LGA/145 2 leg commute, eternal reserve gun to your head.
Coolaid tastes like salt water now
02-16-2018, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder
Hey a friend of friend said they were told during the interview that Envoy is placing a freeze on hiring and told to reapply in 30 days. Anyone hear anything on this?
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