Originally Posted by Pedro4President

There has to be something else in the works going forward. There is a 2:1 line:reserve split going on right now with CAs. There has to be a new base announcement or something coming down the line very soon for us to have this much excess....the last time I saw it get this far on the CA side was right before the 175 came online.

Originally Posted by SilentLurker

I’m strongly contemplating jumping ship to Endeavor, for this exact reason. Haha! It’s a tough decision to make. Just thinking long term here.

One thing I love about this HVA fiasco recruiting tool is that Envoy is showing it’s true colors on how it views its current Pilots/Employees on property. Unlike other Regionals. I suspect attrition will take a hit soon from various directions. If I’m thinking about it, I know others are as well. The math added up.

Once FO’s get close to 1,000 hrs. They can jump ship to Endeavor (1st yr at Envoy, means u owe approx $10K out of your approx $20K bonus If you left before your 2-yr mark. Well guess who is still paying its pilots bonuses??? Endeavors! That $10K bonus can pay off the remainder of the 2yr contract at Envoy. Facts.

Guess who is not requiring you to sign up for 2yrs for a Bonus or to pay back the $10k bonus they give you? Endeavor. Because they have confidence in their product and “VALUE” their Pilots on property.

Great timing to be a regional pilot overall. Endeavor is Upgrading folks who have the time as well. Much much better CA rate, Soft Pay, and reserve rules. Facts. Tough decisions I’m looking into.

Should I stay or should I go? Haha

Originally Posted by BIueSideUp

I’ve recently had this exact thought process run through my mind. You are not alone, sir.

Originally Posted by havick206

What’s stopping you from pulling the trigger?

Originally Posted by SFA320

It sounds like chasing off 1500 guys 2.5-3 years ago is really biting them in the rear now. I know a lot of 3-8 year FOs that found greener pastures during that timeframe. I

Originally Posted by Whiskey4

I’m still not convinced that had much to do with Envoy management. It was amazing to watch the turn around following Scott Kirby’s departure from, and Robert Isom’s rise into the President role...Night and day difference for Envoy. One minute concessions are being demanded, we are being threatened with “Comair II”, and we shed 1500+ pilots. Next they are handing out bonuses, adding commuter hotels, and hiring like crazy. Envoy execs like Pedro have always been very pro-Envoy and very pro-growth...I can only guess that Kirby’s reign was rough for them. AAG appeared to be pulling the strings hard back then (hell, we couldn’t even negotiate with our own management, but rather an AAG hired gun). I think the current AAG strategy under Isom is letting them maneuver a bit. So, now we are watching Envoy management trying to reclaim everything that was lost and return to the “good old days” of American Eagle (regarding airline size).

Originally Posted by Whiskey4

I’m still not convinced that had much to do with Envoy management. It was amazing to watch the turn around following Scott Kirby’s departure from, and Robert Isom’s rise into the President role...Night and day difference for Envoy. One minute concessions are being demanded, we are being threatened with “Comair II”, and we shed 1500+ pilots. Next they are handing out bonuses, adding commuter hotels, and hiring like crazy. Envoy execs like Pedro have always been very pro-Envoy and very pro-growth...I can only guess that Kirby’s reign was rough for them. AAG appeared to be pulling the strings hard back then (hell, we couldn’t even negotiate with our own management, but rather an AAG hired gun). I think the current AAG strategy under Isom is letting them maneuver a bit. So, now we are watching Envoy management trying to reclaim everything that was lost and return to the “good old days” of American Eagle (regarding airline size).

Originally Posted by havick206

What’s stopping you from pulling the trigger?

Originally Posted by AZPilotMike

Perhaps notnat 1000 hours yet?