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Old 06-20-2019 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by henryjj
Did no one notice he posted the recent video just a few hours before the union news? I bet he won’t post anything until it cools down.
If he wanted to use his celebrity leverage for the benefit of the pilot group in this negotiation, he could simply set all of these videos to private until the negotiations are over.

The videos say "In Partnership with Envoy" and the Envoy logo is shown or Envoy mentioned numerous times adding that marketing benefit. His audience seems to be mostly high school kids and college kids in flight schools, (aka future cadets with shiny jet syndrome).

His videos are factual in what he describes, but he conveniently avoids or sugarcoats the negatives. For example, he describes his lines as same day commutable, but didn't mention that he needed to be at the Fargo airport before 5am to commute to a 5 leg day that ended 18 hours later. Or that his commutable on the back end trips only have 1 flight that leaves within an hour of his block in (hope he doesn't get delayed). These are things that someone who spent time in the industry will notice with caution, but they sound great to a starry-eyed CFI with a cadet application next to the computer.

He is specifically describing line holding in terms specific to Envoy. It doesn't seem like he knows or has researched line holding at other airlines. He just mentions "it varies". Yeah, it varies... in ways that are better at many other airlines.

I will give credit to the CAs in his videos. It seems like they are reluctantly agreeing to be in his videos as you usually only see the back of their heads.

I'm not sure if Envoy is paying him extra on the side. This kind of product placement would be worth big money to other youtube influencers. I haven't noticed any other revenue streams on his Envoy videos. His 2+ million views on Envoy would probably have earned him about $5,000 - $10,000 if he just had YT ads running.
Old 06-21-2019 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrion

His 2+ million views on Envoy would probably have earned him about $5,000 - $10,000 if he just had YT ads running.

Not quite.
I have a video on YT with almost 3M hits, and it’s roughly $1000/million views with ads on with YT.
Still decent money, but definitely not 10k
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:04 AM
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Just think how much it would hurt recruiting if he was telling 2 million people that Envoy has the lowest pay and worst QOL of almost any regional right now?

You’d probably have your raises tomorrow.
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
Just think how much it would hurt recruiting if he was telling 2 million people that Envoy has the lowest pay and worst QOL of almost any regional right now?



You’d probably have your raises tomorrow.


Maybe the pilots as a whole need to have a chat with ol swayneyboy...
If he refuses to make a video on the subject, then maybe that in itself is an answer to many questions being brought up here.

I think that’s a great idea.
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:19 AM
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Thing to remember is that the aviation industry is a small community and you don't want to make any enemies or burn any bridges. He isn't making many friends right now with current and former envoy pilots and some current AA pilots.
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Claxstarr
Maybe the pilots as a whole need to have a chat with ol swayneyboy...
If he refuses to make a video on the subject, then maybe that in itself is an answer to many questions being brought up here.

I think that’s a great idea.
Yea, I think he’d go directly to management and claim harassment.

But nothings stopping you from posting a comment on his video calling him out though.

Not that it would deter him from changing what he’s doing.
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MochaSwirl
Yea, I think he’d go directly to management and claim harassment.



But nothings stopping you from posting a comment on his video calling him out though.



Not that it would deter him from changing what he’s doing.


I agree, which is why I think it would have to be a letter from all the pilots at envoy as a whole. Maybe if there was a group that all the envoy pilots belonged to that took on bargaining and grievances.
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:45 AM
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I think everyone needs to step back and respect his extensive insight and experience in the airline industry..........
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
If he wanted to use his celebrity leverage for the benefit of the pilot group in this negotiation, he could simply set all of these videos to private until the negotiations are over.
That would defeat the whole purpose: Attention

If the dude was making the same videos about flight training or instruction, OK fine. Not my cup of tea, but that's a generational thing.

But he's making enthusiastic, positive videos about his employment at an airline that a) has one the lower-ranked contracts in the industry b) is in negotiations and c) they are not going well.

Ya'll should encourage him to zip it. He must have been told that by somebody by now. I frankly would not want him in my pilot group although with flow I guess he doesn't have to care what anyone thinks.
Old 06-21-2019 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Claxstarr
Maybe the pilots as a whole need to have a chat with ol swayneyboy...
Claxstarr....I'm sure you are well intentioned, but that first sentence could be misconstrued.

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