Thank you. Please explain this to Cyio.

Valid arguments or not, there is a better way to handle the issue than to personally attack someone online, and in public. Not to mention thousands of fellow crew members who happen to live a different lifestyle that some of you called "disgusting". Tell me again why Envoy should trust their name to its pilots on social media?

 

You're behind the conversation. Or maybe you can explain to me how Envoy would use this post to find a way to trust its pilots to represent them on social media.

 

I'll allow anyone in my jumpseat. I'm 3 years into the 121 world. However, I have no place in my life for bigotry, racism or sexism. Check your attitude at the door gents.

 

I am in agreement with you that a lot stuff posted on here is unprofessional. That is kinda what makes this place. You can articulate how you feel on different subject matter with out worrying about effecting your career and livelihood. I think you are over reaching a bit, comparing how someone communicates on here somehow related to how professional they perform their job. Hell the leader of the free world acts less then presidential on twitter everyday. I would hope and assume that most on here don’t act the same at work, in the cockpit or on the jumpseat. That is kinda the premise of an anonymous forum isn’t it?

 

And I think you are under-reaching. We are talking about business, not the sentiments of pilots escaping to the non-PC world to post their ugliness. Envoy doesn't need to care about why you guys are posting this crap here. It's an unnecessary risk to allow people who voice these types of opinions anywhere to represent their brand to the public. Put yourself in their shoes.

 

I’m not saying Swayne would, but I have seen many instances throughout my life where people were talked to in a professional manner and told that something they were doing was unprofessional or harmful to their career or others and were subsequently reprimanded or targeted as being biased for race/sex/religion/whatever. None have a legitimate bearing on any argument that is not about that those particular subjects.

Everyone should be free to make their arguments for or against subjects relating to, in this case, the company and its actions in the pay issue.

Envoy would never allow that and has targeted people in the past. Doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not someone says “Yo mamma is a @$&^#” or you’re a whatever.

 

Too late, you can't make that argument here. The reason is these posts below. Your colleagues have already made it about "those particular subjects".

 

So a few individuals completely negate a valid argument?

You are really reaching. You are doing the same thing and trying to invalidate the person instead of the point being made.

That pretty much means there are NEVER any valid arguments for ANYTHING because there are ALMOST always a few crackpots that are outliers on the bell curve.

 

I've only told you why the "instances you've seen throughout your life" don't apply to this conversation. The simple fact is, the conversation here has been less than professional, and attacks were made based on sex/religion/race/whatever. So, the group as a whole can't pretend to be martyrs and say that they've communicated their opinions about this person in a professional manner only to be attacked. What other argument are you trying to make?

 

The above sentiments I strongly disagree with. However they are people stating their opinions and beliefs on certain matters and I can’t control how others say it or their right to say it. All I can control is how I react to it. My kids happen to be a different race then their mother and I. We spend a lot of energy preparing them for how cruel the real world can be and they can’t control others thoughts and actions only how they decide to react to it. I can’t teach my kids to ignore other prejudices if I get offended or yell racist every time I feel some one said something I perceive as “insensitive “. Spewing words no matter how hurtful can’t harm others only actions and reactions can. Although I do not agree with them. Their comments are far from hate speech. You are strongly virtual signaling with your constant attempt to make everything about someone’s sexuality. You must be young, I realize in your belief everyone is a victim but I can assure you as your get older you grown to tired to always be offended by everything. That is a young mans game. This thread doesn’t have to be professional that’s the point of the forum. You nor I have any control on how people comment. None of this invalidates the loads of reason based arguments present here.