What arguments am I attacking exactly? As far as I can remember, I have only shown why Envoy is justified in not trusting Envoy pilots to represent their brand in public media. We are not talking about raising your kids. We are talking about business. Tell me why it would make business sense for Envoy to trust the same pilots who made the bigoted posts here to represent their company brand?

 

This^^

From day one, his videos have had shots that would get anyone else at this company at best chewed out by the CPO, or terminated. His videos have the stamp of recruiting material all over them.

As I said in an earlier post, this sort of social media influencer material is a gold mine for corporations these days. To say that these videos are simply an innocuous side project is to willfully ignore the sales value that this delivers to the company at the detriment of this pilot group.

 

Inclusivity is great, but hopefully that doesn't include scabs, et al.

 

I think I can speak for everyone when I say wth are you talking about? No one is asking to represent envoy on social media. You're just willfully ignoring any points made.

 

You can't speak for everyone, because you are just willfully ignoring the conversation.
There are people here complaining that they can't make social media posts using Envoy's brand, yet won't acknowledge that no company would want to be represented by the public posts some of you guys have actually been making.

 

I am not trying to be rude but I have to be blunt. You are missing the forest for the trees. No one here has said that they represent envoy on social media. In fact they are claiming the opposite. They are saying because they would tell things how they really are and not what management portrays, Envoy has a lot to lose if all the potential prospects knew how envoy really treated pilots not the white wash version Swayne portrays. No one here I can assure you has any desire to represent envoy on social media. Pilot here have to gripes with what Swayne is doing. The first is he is using his online following to further managements agenda and therefore hurt his fellow pilots. Second he is low time young guy with little experience and rather most of us like it not he is representing all of us to the masses who don’t know better. .

 

I am not even discussing whether or not pilots should or shouldn't dislike the videos. My statements have been simple. I have started by saying that personally attacking people anonymously and in public is unprofessional, not to mention cowardly. The fact that anyone's sexuality has been brought into this thread shows just how embarrassing the conduct has been so far. Do you disagree?

Then, I responded to posts that attacked someone for having company permission to use their brand in social media, while they don't have that same permission. I challenged you to put yourself in Envoy's shoes and understand what a financial risk it would be to allow their brand to be represented by a group of people who have no problem publicly calling people "disgusting" because of their sexual preference. You are not anonymous. Envoy management knows you are Envoy pilots and can read these posts along with the general public. Why should they trust anyone here with their brand without vetting them first? There shouldn't be any complaints here about being forbidden from representing Envoy in social media, because there is proof here that Envoy pilots at large can't be trusted.

Finally, I understand how it looks that Envoy specifically allows certain posts that don't portray it in a negative light, and how a logo can be used as subliminal advertising even without direct "recruiting". If you disagree with the videos and/or their timing, there are certain channels to be used to have your concerns addressed professionally. I wonder how many of you have talked to your reps, or to the person himself, before making personal attacks here from behind your screen name...?

 

It’s hard to listen to somebody talking about being professional when their username is poop plop. But I digress...

I’ll agree that some of the comments on here are uncalled for, but realistically they only represent about 0.0001% of this thread and you’re making it seem like it’s a majority and a reason why the argument against Swayne making videos has no merit.

Your argument gives the impression that a group of 2,499 scientists could find a cure for cancer but if 3 of them made a bigoted remark you would dismiss the group as a whole and wait another 100 years for someone else to find a cure.

Quit diverting attention and help your pilot group. Pay and QOL should be your number one priority right now.... not something 0.0001% of your coworkers have said.

 

A guy who calls himself Thedude86 says my screen name is not legitimate enough? You only prove my point.

And again, whether or not the company should trust its pilots at large on social media has no bearing on any arguments as to whether or not anyone should approve or disapprove of the videos. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

 

I never made any arguments about being professional. That’s all on you.

And obviously the company wouldn’t trust anyone else because they know they would tell it like it is. No one would show up for class. “I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to understand.”