One literally was just terminated for it.

 

That wasn’t what the company said!

But yes, that is the entire point!!

 

Thanks again for proving our point about how uninformed Swayne and his supporters truly are. This forum is the best place to get the truth out to potential new hires before they come here and realize that they made a mistake. We have a margin of safety to tell the truth because we can post anonymously, but we risk being doxxed and fired.

Good for you putting in the work to become qualified. Now do yourself and the rest of us a favor and refrain from applying to the places that are keeping pay low and QOL bad.

 

So you agree that many posts made by pilots on this thread are insensitive and unprofessional, which helps to justify Envoy's decision not trust any of you to represent their company on any public social media platforms?

 

Well this is getting us nowhere. They don’t trust us because unlike Swayne we would actually tell the truth about what is really going on here, not some white washed version of life on reserve.

You believe what you believe and I will believe what I believe. I haven’t said a single insensitive thing about this kid so you can take that argument elsewhere. I have clearly stated my opinion and supported it.

Any action at this point that helps the company or shows them in a positive light is a direct affront to the current pilot group and the union.

 

Show me where I said "Cyio said insensitive things". You pulled that out of nowhere.

Many people here have freely stated their opinions, and that's part of why Envoy shouldn't trust them. Any professional pilot should understand why certain things can't be said in public.

 

I was stating that I haven’t made any comments because it was apparent you were trying to use “insensitive “ comments as a reason why the company shouldn’t trust us. If I haven’t made any then they should trust me by your logic.

 

Perhaps so, but many of your coworkers have. After what I've seen here, they would be crazy to allow any of you to represent them in public without their expressed approval.

 

There have clearly been some posts that have been aimed personally at Swayne and his lifestyle and whether you agree or disagree either side of the subject, they have no place on this forum and thus have no bearing on this issue.

Doesn’t change all the valid arguments about why his videos need to stop until the pay issue is addressed.

 

Please pump the brakes on the whole “insensitivity” and everything hurts my feelings defense. A lot of us come here to get away from the overly politically correct crowd. Just because the social justice warriors and their virtual signaling are the loudest voice in the room doesn’t make them the most correct. Just because someone doesn’t agree with what is said or losing an argument, doesn’t make it insensitive, racist or what ever term of endearment is thrown out. Do they not teach about sticks and stones in school anymore. Contrary to what some may think words can not actually hurt someone if you don’t let it. This forum is not a “safe place” it’s a place to talk shop with other professionals and maybe crack a smile or two. Although I disagree with a lot of peoples extreme opinions or rude comments on different topics. I still respect their right to say it and just choose to not get personally offended. It’s easy everyone should try it!