Here Comes Swayne
#441
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I am not even discussing whether or not pilots should or shouldn't dislike the videos. My statements have been simple. I have started by saying that personally attacking people anonymously and in public is unprofessional, not to mention cowardly. The fact that anyone's sexuality has been brought into this thread shows just how embarrassing the conduct has been so far. Do you disagree?
Then, I responded to posts that attacked someone for having company permission to use their brand in social media, while they don't have that same permission. I challenged you to put yourself in Envoy's shoes and understand what a financial risk it would be to allow their brand to be represented by a group of people who have no problem publicly calling people "disgusting" because of their sexual preference. You are not anonymous. Envoy management knows you are Envoy pilots and can read these posts along with the general public. Why should they trust anyone here with their brand without vetting them first? There shouldn't be any complaints here about being forbidden from representing Envoy in social media, because there is proof here that Envoy pilots at large can't be trusted.
Finally, I understand how it looks that Envoy specifically allows certain posts that don't portray it in a negative light, and how a logo can be used as subliminal advertising even without direct "recruiting". If you disagree with the videos and/or their timing, there are certain channels to be used to have your concerns addressed professionally. I wonder how many of you have talked to your reps, or to the person himself, before making personal attacks here from behind your screen name...?
Then, I responded to posts that attacked someone for having company permission to use their brand in social media, while they don't have that same permission. I challenged you to put yourself in Envoy's shoes and understand what a financial risk it would be to allow their brand to be represented by a group of people who have no problem publicly calling people "disgusting" because of their sexual preference. You are not anonymous. Envoy management knows you are Envoy pilots and can read these posts along with the general public. Why should they trust anyone here with their brand without vetting them first? There shouldn't be any complaints here about being forbidden from representing Envoy in social media, because there is proof here that Envoy pilots at large can't be trusted.
Finally, I understand how it looks that Envoy specifically allows certain posts that don't portray it in a negative light, and how a logo can be used as subliminal advertising even without direct "recruiting". If you disagree with the videos and/or their timing, there are certain channels to be used to have your concerns addressed professionally. I wonder how many of you have talked to your reps, or to the person himself, before making personal attacks here from behind your screen name...?
Last edited by Firefighterpilo; 06-21-2019 at 08:09 PM.
#442
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And again, "telling it like it is" isn't always in the interest of the business, especially in this business. It's their business prerogative to limit the use of their brand. Feel free to keep whining about it.
#443
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When did I say you made an argument about being professional?
And again, "telling it like it is" isn't always in the interest of the business, especially in this business. It's their business prerogative to limit the use of their brand. Feel free to keep whining about it.
And again, "telling it like it is" isn't always in the interest of the business, especially in this business. It's their business prerogative to limit the use of their brand. Feel free to keep whining about it.
No one is arguing what the company’s prerogative is. Everyone on here is basically saying the same thing... Swayne’s videos are not helping the pilot group.
#444
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Here Comes Swayne
Then, I responded to posts that attacked someone for having company permission to use their brand in social media, while they don't have that same permission. I challenged you to put yourself in Envoy's shoes and understand what a financial risk it would be to allow their brand to be represented by a group of people who have no problem publicly calling people "disgusting" because of their sexual preference. You are not anonymous. Envoy management knows you are Envoy pilots and can read these posts along with the general public. Why should they trust anyone here with their brand without vetting them first?
Look, no one is wanting to make YouTube videos representing the company besides Swayne. You seem to to misunderstand that fact.
Folks were only complaining about being expressly told (and made to complete online training) about not being able to post any sort of pics or videos while in uniform on any social media. You know, like posting selfies on Facebook.
The original annoyance with Swayne however, was that only a few weeks after being told via HI6 that no one may post any pics or videos in uniform or on company property, on any social media, a newhire starting basic Indoc goes and starts posting company sponsored videos.
Even though the videos are company sponsored, they were a direct contradiction of what the company just said no one was allowed to do. They offered no explanation to the pilot group, and instead double downed on their deadline for all to complete the mandatory social media abstinence training.
This does not mean that Pilots here actually wanted to make videos like Swayne, (aside from perhaps Aviator Chavez) so your plea to understand the company’s “financial risk” “to allow their brand to be represented” by other envoy Pilots besides Swayne, is way off the mark. No one is wanting to. No one is bitter about that. No one cares to. No one can believe you are trying to make a point about that, at least I can’t.
All anyone is currently annoyed about, is that he may potentially be helping management and may be helping recruiting during critical pay negotiations when the company is on record saying healthy class sizes are directly negating the need to increase pay.
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#445
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You are a professional diverter. None of the points you keep spouting anyone here is debating. It like if we are arguing the color of a tree and you keep interjecting the average weight of a bark beetle. They are not related points nor important to the argument. Nowhere has anyone argued your above points.
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#446
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Even if someone did want to and was allowed to make a realistic video about life Envoy... there might be 14 people that see it. Swayne has had years and years to build his audience.
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You claimed I was saying your argument wasn’t legitimate. I never said legitimate. I said professional. Like the previous poster said, “you’re a professional diverter”.
No one is arguing what the company’s prerogative is. Everyone on here is basically saying the same thing... Swayne’s videos are not helping the pilot group.
No one is arguing what the company’s prerogative is. Everyone on here is basically saying the same thing... Swayne’s videos are not helping the pilot group.
For the 10th time, what you think about the videos is your rightful opinion and doesn't bother me at all. But there are ways to voice that opinion without making yourself and your colleagues look bigoted and unprofessional. And before you start, I'm not talking about you specifically.
#448
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Now you're confused. When I said legitimate, I was talking about my screen name, not whatever argument I was making. Try to keep up!
For the 10th time, what you think about the videos is your rightful opinion and doesn't bother me at all. But there are ways to voice that opinion without making yourself and your colleagues look bigoted and unprofessional.
For the 10th time, what you think about the videos is your rightful opinion and doesn't bother me at all. But there are ways to voice that opinion without making yourself and your colleagues look bigoted and unprofessional.
I not once made any comments that would make me or anyone else look bigoted. If anything I said they were uncalled for.
Would you rather talk about stupid comments that 3 people made on an anonymous forum or would you rather talk about how to put an extra 20k in your pocket every year? Unless you’re management....
#449
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For the 10th time, what you think about the videos is your rightful opinion and doesn't bother me at all. But there are ways to voice that opinion without making yourself and your colleagues look bigoted and unprofessional. And before you start, I'm not talking about you specifically.
#450
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^I guess I added this part too late..Of course. Let's ignore all the terrible personal attacks made in this thread since it's the only way anyone here can be taken seriously. So, let's talk about it. Have you made any communications to your reps regarding these videos? Or is anonymous online b**ching the only plan?
And I’m not at Envoy. I’m
not sure if you are or you’re just keyboard warrior, but if you are at Envoy then it sounds like I care more about their pilot group than you do.