Here Comes Swayne
06-21-2019 | 09:08 PM
#461
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Dude, that has not been your main argument lol. Again, professional diverter.
And I completely understand business PR. I never said Swayne is bad for business. Quite the opposite actually. Swayne is great for business. Bad for the pilot group.
You remind me of my ex-wife. You hear what you want to hear, interpret it in a totally different way, and change the subject when you realize everyone is making a valid argument.
There are a few other posters on here that are ok with Swayne’s videos, but I don’t have a problem with them because they’re sensible and rationale. You on the other hand are way out in lala land and all over the place and I don’t think anyone on here is taking you seriously.
And I completely understand business PR. I never said Swayne is bad for business. Quite the opposite actually. Swayne is great for business. Bad for the pilot group.
You remind me of my ex-wife. You hear what you want to hear, interpret it in a totally different way, and change the subject when you realize everyone is making a valid argument.
There are a few other posters on here that are ok with Swayne’s videos, but I don’t have a problem with them because they’re sensible and rationale. You on the other hand are way out in lala land and all over the place and I don’t think anyone on here is taking you seriously.
1. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. So it is understandable that Envoy management would be wary about allowing its pilots represent its brand on social media.
2. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. There are more respectable, professional, and effective ways to voice concerns and encourage actions to better the position of the pilot group.
06-21-2019 | 09:21 PM
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There is no company in the world that would endorse or even allow anyone they have any control over (employees, contractors, vendors, etc) to post anything negative about the company. Obviously. It is bad business. So the pilot group has little they can do. But I would love the union to buy an add on APC and Swayne’s YouTube video stating the FACTS about Envoy pay and flow. Something that is not represented in Swayne’s videos or Envoy’s adds.
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06-21-2019 | 10:58 PM
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Look, no one is wanting to make YouTube videos representing the company besides Swayne. You seem to to misunderstand that fact.
Folks were only complaining about being expressly told (and made to complete online training) about not being able to post any sort of pics or videos while in uniform on any social media. You know, like posting selfies on Facebook.
The original annoyance with Swayne however, was that only a few weeks after being told via HI6 that no one may post any pics or videos in uniform or on company property, on any social media, a newhire starting basic Indoc goes and starts posting company sponsored videos.
Even though the videos are company sponsored, they were a direct contradiction of what the company just said no one was allowed to do. They offered no explanation to the pilot group, and instead double downed on their deadline for all to complete the mandatory social media abstinence training.
This does not mean that Pilots here actually wanted to make videos like Swayne, (aside from perhaps Aviator Chavez) so your plea to understand the company’s “financial risk” “to allow their brand to be represented” by other envoy Pilots besides Swayne, is way off the mark. No one is wanting to. No one is bitter about that. No one cares to. No one can believe you are trying to make a point about that, at least I can’t.
All anyone is currently annoyed about, is that he may potentially be helping management and may be helping recruiting during critical pay negotiations when the company is on record saying healthy class sizes are directly negating the need to increase pay.
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Folks were only complaining about being expressly told (and made to complete online training) about not being able to post any sort of pics or videos while in uniform on any social media. You know, like posting selfies on Facebook.
The original annoyance with Swayne however, was that only a few weeks after being told via HI6 that no one may post any pics or videos in uniform or on company property, on any social media, a newhire starting basic Indoc goes and starts posting company sponsored videos.
Even though the videos are company sponsored, they were a direct contradiction of what the company just said no one was allowed to do. They offered no explanation to the pilot group, and instead double downed on their deadline for all to complete the mandatory social media abstinence training.
This does not mean that Pilots here actually wanted to make videos like Swayne, (aside from perhaps Aviator Chavez) so your plea to understand the company’s “financial risk” “to allow their brand to be represented” by other envoy Pilots besides Swayne, is way off the mark. No one is wanting to. No one is bitter about that. No one cares to. No one can believe you are trying to make a point about that, at least I can’t.
All anyone is currently annoyed about, is that he may potentially be helping management and may be helping recruiting during critical pay negotiations when the company is on record saying healthy class sizes are directly negating the need to increase pay.
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So, as some have already said, he should just stop. Fini.
06-22-2019 | 04:03 AM
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I've only made two simple points. I'll try to spell it out.
1. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. So it is understandable that Envoy management would be wary about allowing its pilots represent its brand on social media.
2. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. There are more respectable, professional, and effective ways to voice concerns and encourage actions to better the position of the pilot group.
1. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. So it is understandable that Envoy management would be wary about allowing its pilots represent its brand on social media.
2. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. There are more respectable, professional, and effective ways to voice concerns and encourage actions to better the position of the pilot group.
We are not arguing for the right to post videos, you know that so stop pushing the argument. The only reason us posting videos even came up was because you tried to tell us to post counterpoint videos.
The issue is a fellow pilot posting recruitment videos not telling the full story during a time of pretty intense negotiations. You notice how this topic has swelled since the company walked away from the AIP, which also happened to be the same day he posted another video?
Stop trying to change the topic.
06-22-2019 | 05:14 AM
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This is the common tactic of someone that is trying to change the direction of a disagreement that they can't win into something that they can.
We are not arguing for the right to post videos, you know that so stop pushing the argument. The only reason us posting videos even came up was because you tried to tell us to post counterpoint videos.
The issue is a fellow pilot posting recruitment videos not telling the full story during a time of pretty intense negotiations. You notice how this topic has swelled since the company walked away from the AIP, which also happened to be the same day he posted another video?
Stop trying to change the topic.
We are not arguing for the right to post videos, you know that so stop pushing the argument. The only reason us posting videos even came up was because you tried to tell us to post counterpoint videos.
The issue is a fellow pilot posting recruitment videos not telling the full story during a time of pretty intense negotiations. You notice how this topic has swelled since the company walked away from the AIP, which also happened to be the same day he posted another video?
Stop trying to change the topic.
06-22-2019 | 05:29 AM
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Not once have I made any comments about the videos themselves because AGAIN, I don't mind people having one opinion or the other. I have only made comments about the unprofessional posts on this thread and the counterproductive consequences they might have. You responded to my comments. If you didn't want to talk about that, why did you respond?
06-22-2019 | 06:21 AM
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Here Comes Swayne
I disagree. Wrong approach above. Must stick to the facts without emotions involved. Company & workers bring positive light to the pilot group every day, multiple times various ways. Positive light is positive light & always should be accepted when factual and honest.
Union leadership members are entrusted to handle labor reations publicly, in the media, social media, as needed with legal departments review and input many tjmes. Let them do their job. Employee’s use of social media ”against” most corporations & its brand are both futile & incredibly risky. Use the avenues created to communicate your concerens.
Freedom of speech is limited and has confined areas of applications.
If the company sanctions an influencer to back them publicly, that is a brand ambassador & its within their right to do so. Actions against that person is an action against the brand. Common sense.
Stay off social media the union keeps repeating.
06-22-2019 | 08:01 AM
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He made it about that when he brought that desecrated abomination of an American flag and slung it up in front the company’s plane. Fair game. Professionals leave that sort of thing at home when they come to work.
06-22-2019 | 08:30 AM
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This is not about the messenger, but his message about Envoy. BOTH sides of the argument lose credibility when unrelated topics are brought in.
