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Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 3163114)
Everyone posting that this should be closed, or we should all search his schedule and seek him out in person seem to forget that this is a public forum, one in which ideas, thoughts, complaints and the like can be openly discussed. If we just slam shut every forum post that some dont like, we would never have anything on here.
While there may be a few posters that dont like the guy, my beef has always been that I didnt like him promoting recruiting while we were in the midst of a large issue with the company and I dont think it is fair that he gets to make extra money working hand in hand with the company and others cant. If that is the case, he should drop out of the union and become a management style pilot. As it stands now, he makes extra money with the blessing and cooperation of the company, bonus no other pilot that I am aware of gets and to that point, a bonus that has been actively taken away from other pilots. This guy, whom I am sure is great, gets to play both ends of the field. He gets union protections while at times doing things counter productive to the unions goals, all the while also having the blessings of management. This is different than hustling your way through the shows trying to get contacts to get out early, as that is something we all can do. This hustle is something unique that is barred off from the rest of the pilot group. Anyway, thats my two cents. I dont really lose sleep or even think about this guy or his videos unless this thread gets active and even then, I just poke my head in to offer a prospective besides, "shut this thread down", "he is gay so thats why we are mad" or "you all are just jealous" or "you all are just lazy". There are actual valid reasons to not approve of the videos and none of them have anything to do with the person themselves, but rather the situation and context of which they exist. While I find professional airline pilots youtubing about their jobs kind of of distasteful, he's not breaking any formal rules. People here are free to express their distaste, or how much they love it, either way. He's a public figure, no expectation of privacy here. Maybe the union needs a rule such that they can order members to "cease and desist" in public behavior which is counter to the goals and best interests of the pilot group? I guess the unions only hammer would be to kick someone down to non-member status, which would be largely symbolic (and save the offender some dues money). |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3163508)
While I find professional airline pilots youtubing about their jobs kind of of distasteful, he's not breaking any formal rules.
A lot of people on these boards voiced their concerns to one another when in the middle of pay negotiations, he posted a company sponsored video. It was not see as being in unison with his fellow union members and instead shilling for the company in a very critical time. For Swayne's deeds, that would be the one that bothers me. I think it's neat that he has a successful YouTube channel, I wanted to do that in my career too, but I didn't get the views. And the social media policy is the company and AA's fault, not Swayne's fault, getting upset with him because he got the blessing, in my mind, is a mistake. |
Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 3163490)
lol, video is marked private.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3163508)
Maybe the union needs a rule such that they can order members to "cease and desist" in public behavior which is counter to the goals and best interests of the pilot group? I guess the unions only hammer would be to kick someone down to non-member status, which would be largely symbolic (and save the offender some dues money).
You can be a member in bad standing, or a non-member, but you will pay your dues. Otherwise you will be terminated. |
My question is, why does anyone seek internet fame if they're in a career not associated with being a narcissistic 'look at me' persona such as acting, journalism, politics etc. Why not just change to another field that is more visible?
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Why is this even a thread ?
Let the man live his life. So much jealousy in this world, it’s not easy doing those videos, it takes time and editing. We should all just support each other. Those videos are great, very informative, they definitely helped me make my decision in which regional to choose. In my opinion, keep going bud, forget the haters |
Originally Posted by Flyhigh47
(Post 3164380)
Why is this even a thread ?
Let the man live his life. So much jealousy in this world, it’s not easy doing those videos, it takes time and editing. We should all just support each other. Those videos are great, very informative, they definitely helped me make my decision in which regional to choose. In my opinion, keep going bud, forget the haters Preferential treatment: The rest of are told that we cannot link back to Envoy because they're worried about getting sued or canceled. That we actually received training saying that they want us to include in social media posts: "This statement is my own and is not sponsored or affiliated with the company." Posting Envoy sponsored videos during pay negotiations: A lot of people question where his loyalty is when we're supposed to be a union together and he's doing what he's doing with the company. Try to have some critical thinking skills before you start opening your mouth as to people's motives. |
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