Standing Vacancy
09-06-2018 | 12:47 PM
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I'd argue that this is poor guidance. Certainly one shouldn't pref bid in this environment of forced upgrades. However, contractually, profer to displace is run right after pref bids and before straight displacements. Then, when training is assigned, profers get first crack at slots (in seniority order) before pure displacements (reverse seniority order). In my mind, if one truly wants a certain airframe or base, but doesn't want to chance a seat lock, it behooves one to use the profer to displace tool. Then, if you're happy with what you got, volunteer for the seat lock and profit.
However when you proffer to displace you leave thousands of dollars on the table, and possibly less time on reserve sitting airport standby.
09-06-2018 | 01:37 PM
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Ok so sending a proffer to displace you get maybe 30-60 hrs PIC time more than a displacement bid. There's no other benefit to proffering to displace. Unless someone wants to poke another hole in my bidding rationale.
However when you proffer to displace you leave thousands of dollars on the table, and possibly less time on reserve sitting airport standby.
However when you proffer to displace you leave thousands of dollars on the table, and possibly less time on reserve sitting airport standby.
09-06-2018 | 05:05 PM
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Edit: On second thought, I just went back and reread the union email regarding this (subject: Displaced? Action Required by July 24, 2018). First, it explicitely states in the first paragraph "from a captain status" to be eligible but then second paragraph says 15.G.4'd into a captain status and then gives table that clearly shows FO displaced to CA being able to volunteer for the training freeze.
So, I guess this is covered somewhere in the contract/LOAs but I'm not sure where. I'm not likely to be qualified on the next bid if they do them every three months like they have been so this is on the back burner for me.
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09-06-2018 | 06:19 PM
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It doesn't matter the method of getting your captain status. Once awarded, you get captain pay while you're a senior FO waiting on training. I prefer the option of being displaced and going into training in reverse seniority order after all vacacnies such that I spend the longest amount of time possible as a senior FO on CA pay while also still receiving the FO retention bonus until fed ride.
09-06-2018 | 06:34 PM
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It doesn't matter the method of getting your captain status. Once awarded, you get captain pay while you're a senior FO waiting on training. I prefer the option of being displaced and going into training in reverse seniority order after all vacacnies such that I spend the longest amount of time possible as a senior FO on CA pay while also still receiving the FO retention bonus until fed ride.
From the mouth of the union.....the retention bonus stops as soon as CA pay is awarded.
(Edit) I thought this too. Even saw it in an email but was promptly shut down when I asked about it.
09-06-2018 | 06:53 PM
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Hmmm, I remember seeing it in an email too which is why I said it. I'm going to have to go back and read the LOAs. I don't remember seeing anything that said the condition of the bonuses had changed.
09-06-2018 | 06:58 PM
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Finally read the LOA and ya it says “when a first officer is awarded a captain status he will, for the purposes and vacancy bidding only, be considered to hold his awarded captain status and receive the appropriate hourly wage as if he had attained his captain status.”
Also, two pages before that it says the loa eliminates all training freezes for new hires...
Also, two pages before that it says the loa eliminates all training freezes for new hires...
09-06-2018 | 07:35 PM
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And the email is dated after the latest LOAs. So the union was expecting this to play out as though you get captain pay on award and retention bonus until fed ride. But the quote from the LOA you have seems to say otherwise. Maybe the union got duped.
In any case, I still think you're better off trying to stay senior FO on CA pay rates as long as possible which is why you shouldn't vacancy bid.
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