Have you ever filed a grievance?

 

I have in the past. Unless it’s a termination grievance, don’t expect it to be heard for at least 2-3 years. By then you’ll be out and moving on so the grievance will never be heard. Even the termination grievances take over a year and those are expedited.

ALPA is pretty bad, but it’s truly the people you vote into position who are driving the ship. I would much rather have a professional union leader (not a pilot) reporting back to and being directed by the MEC. At minimum this professional should be in charge of the negotiating committee. Maybe to expensive ALPA?

We’re pilots, NOT attorneys or negotiators. It’s a flawed system and management loves to take advantage of it. When you see a cat toying with a half dead mouse...well you get the picture.

 

I’ve filed a few recently, received backpay within a few months.

 

ALPA does have attorneys, the MEC does utilize and consult the attorneys. This is not SKYWEST. You should walk down to visit the MEC office in Bedford, TX across the street from the “hotel”/in the brown building next to Jimmy Johns. Go there sometime, see where your dues are going, have conversations with folks there. I did last year and I’m confident we’re in good hands.

My personal opinion and experience.

 

Does Envoy not have the remedy requests process Endeavor has? Most contract violations here at Endeavor seem to be addressed in regular meetings with management and financial remedies are usually agreed upon within a few months and paid within 5 or 6.

 

Yes there is a bi-weekly meeting where easily agreed upon fixes get made. Then there’s another one and done type arbitration process, then there’s the drawn out lengthy full blown arbitration process when everyone is at stalemate.

The people that complain on here generally don’t bother to file a grievance in the first place.

 

To be fair a lot of what people complain about is what the company can contractually do. For example sit 6 am standby get called at 145 for a 215 turn that gets back at 459. Is it awful? yes. Is it grievable? No

 

Yes. I’ve had that happen too. But if it’s an issue the company wants to fight (reserve rule violations, Junior man issues, etc., etc ... then expect 2-3 years for a resolution.

 

Disagree, I’ve seen individual reserve and JM violations pay out within months when it’s black and white.

Now if we’re talking overarching interpretation of the contract etc then yes I agree it takes a long time when everyone is at stalemate, that will happen at any company though to some degree.

 

Sorry man but a large number of the pilot group is suffering while on rsv while another large part of the pilot group is clueless about how bad rsv can be since they are line holders. To say we are in good hands is reaching. If we were in good hands the union would push to improve work rules sooner than later, not wait until the company decides to do talk about them.

With the amount of people we are hiring, rsv will be lengthy at any base soon. This should be a priority since new hires will get their first look at an airline and how their quality of life will be affected during that time. We need to make things better and be industry leading. Before anyone replies about how bad it was for you on rsv and how you sat rsv for years, that shouldn’t be the case for today’s pilots. If you think that a new guy nowadays needs to pay his dues and suffer just the way you did, then you’re part of the problem. Be a leader and change things. It sucked for you. I’m sorry but it doesn’t have to suck for everyone else.

We have FOs sitting rsv and blocking less than 10 hours a month all while getting a sad 11 days off a month, commuting a day before and after their rsv sequence and spending money on crashpads. When they try and drop days, the answer is no. That is unacceptable. Reserve is reserve, but company makes it worse than what it needs to be.

With that being said the union needs to expedite these “new rules.” The bottom part of pilot group is suffering and needs improvement. Reserve is not the only part that needs improvement, it’s just the beginning. We need to look out for the entire seniority list, not just junior guys/gals.