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11-18-2018 | 04:03 PM
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Sorry man but a large number of the pilot group is suffering while on rsv while another large part of the pilot group is clueless about how bad rsv can be since they are line holders. To say we are in good hands is reaching. If we were in good hands the union would push to improve work rules sooner than later, not wait until the company decides to do talk about them.
With the amount of people we are hiring, rsv will be lengthy at any base soon. This should be a priority since new hires will get their first look at an airline and how their quality of life will be affected during that time. We need to make things better and be industry leading. Before anyone replies about how bad it was for you on rsv and how you sat rsv for years, that shouldn’t be the case for today’s pilots. If you think that a new guy nowadays needs to pay his dues and suffer just the way you did, then you’re part of the problem. Be a leader and change things. It sucked for you. I’m sorry but it doesn’t have to suck for everyone else.
We have FOs sitting rsv and blocking less than 10 hours a month all while getting a sad 11 days off a month, commuting a day before and after their rsv sequence and spending money on crashpads. When they try and drop days, the answer is no. That is unacceptable. Reserve is reserve, but company makes it worse than what it needs to be.
With that being said the union needs to expedite these “new rules.” The bottom part of pilot group is suffering and needs improvement. Reserve is not the only part that needs improvement, it’s just the beginning. We need to look out for the entire seniority list, not just junior guys/gals.
With the amount of people we are hiring, rsv will be lengthy at any base soon. This should be a priority since new hires will get their first look at an airline and how their quality of life will be affected during that time. We need to make things better and be industry leading. Before anyone replies about how bad it was for you on rsv and how you sat rsv for years, that shouldn’t be the case for today’s pilots. If you think that a new guy nowadays needs to pay his dues and suffer just the way you did, then you’re part of the problem. Be a leader and change things. It sucked for you. I’m sorry but it doesn’t have to suck for everyone else.
We have FOs sitting rsv and blocking less than 10 hours a month all while getting a sad 11 days off a month, commuting a day before and after their rsv sequence and spending money on crashpads. When they try and drop days, the answer is no. That is unacceptable. Reserve is reserve, but company makes it worse than what it needs to be.
With that being said the union needs to expedite these “new rules.” The bottom part of pilot group is suffering and needs improvement. Reserve is not the only part that needs improvement, it’s just the beginning. We need to look out for the entire seniority list, not just junior guys/gals.
11-18-2018 | 04:11 PM
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Well, what communicate has the pilot group gotten in writing that the company doesn’t want to talk? As far as I know we haven’t officially been told that the company doesn’t want to talk. Educate me if wrong.
11-18-2018 | 05:43 PM
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11-18-2018 | 06:01 PM
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So you really think that we don't have a new improved RSV system because ALPA hasn't tried? Reach out to your reps and NC members to get an idea of how RSV negotiations have been over the years. It's not that the company won't talk RSV; it's that they are unwilling to make any real changes. And if the company won't budge on RSV, what exactly should ALPA do? ALPA and the company have tried to get something done on RSV on several occasions dating back to 2015ish. But you act like the only reason that we don't have a leading industry RSV system or other industry leading contractual items is because ALPA hasn't asked the company to give us one. As if they should be able to magically snap their fingers and make the company play ball. Now...as far as communication from the ALPA leadership goes, I'll agree with you that this has been severely lacking for awhile now. I'd love to see more LEC meetings, more teleconferences between the MEC and pilot group for Q&A etc...
11-18-2018 | 06:12 PM
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Now it just feels like we lost any kind of leverage on the company, in exchange for a temporary increase of 4 flows per month.
11-18-2018 | 06:25 PM
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This post reminds me of how we were told the LoAs that we handed the company this year were all about addressing grievances, and that QoL/pay adjustments were going to be handled separately.
Now it just feels like we lost any kind of leverage on the company, in exchange for a temporary increase of 4 flows per month.
Now it just feels like we lost any kind of leverage on the company, in exchange for a temporary increase of 4 flows per month.
Amen.......
11-18-2018 | 06:42 PM
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More LEC meetings? I am not sure about other bases but I heard that ORD managed to get a whopping 6 people to attend the last meeting who weren't officers. MIA just had the officers at their last one. Why have more meetings when the pilot group doesn't attend the ones that are currently being held?
11-18-2018 | 06:53 PM
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More LEC meetings? I am not sure about other bases but I heard that ORD managed to get a whopping 6 people to attend the last meeting who weren't officers. MIA just had the officers at their last one. Why have more meetings when the pilot group doesn't attend the ones that are currently being held?
I can totally understand why a new guy who just worked 5 days with no flying, that flew in a day prior to starting, now being asked to show up to a meeting on his one of two days off before starting all over again, would blow it off. Having a teleconference that he could interact/listen/send digital questions to from home or WiFi connection, that they would do.
11-18-2018 | 07:02 PM
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This post reminds me of how we were told the LoAs that we handed the company this year were all about addressing grievances, and that QoL/pay adjustments were going to be handled separately.
Now it just feels like we lost any kind of leverage on the company, in exchange for a temporary increase of 4 flows per month.
Now it just feels like we lost any kind of leverage on the company, in exchange for a temporary increase of 4 flows per month.
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