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06-10-2019 | 12:31 PM

#581

buddies8

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Negotiations have stopped so no problem for the mec to go public.
Any information mgt gave mec is false anyhow so staying quiet only aids mgt and weakens the pilot group. Truly dont care what mec wants its their job to keep the pilots informed on any negotiations. They have done absolutely nothing but double b.s..

06-10-2019 | 12:32 PM

#582

Varsity

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Originally Posted by boiler07

Yea, no. But cool story bruh.

Union: We won't sign it

Company: Don't call us, we'll call you.

06-10-2019 | 06:16 PM

#583

dera

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From: Whale FO

Its gonna be identical to PDT.

"Dont take the money we need better work rules!!!"

"We are negotiating, no updates"

"I will not settle if we dont get 18 days off!!!"

"No updates"

"Dont take the money stay strong!!!"

"We took the money"

"YESSSSSSSS!"

They will get the pay, no concessions. And we will all be happy. And think company demanded something and we negotiated away from it.

06-10-2019 | 06:44 PM

#584

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Originally Posted by dera

They will get the pay, no concessions. And we will all be happy. And think company demanded something and we negotiated away from it.

Go read up on the reserve overhaul negotiations of past fall and this winter and why/how that ended.

06-10-2019 | 06:49 PM

#585

dera

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From: Whale FO

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Originally Posted by BigZ

Go read up on the reserve overhaul negotiations of past fall and this winter and why/how that ended.

Not relevant.
Just wait and see.

06-10-2019 | 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dera

Not relevant.
Just wait and see.

Wait and see what exactly?
In you previous post you claimed that the company looking for concessions is BS. Did you not?

06-10-2019 | 07:05 PM

#587

dera

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Originally Posted by BigZ

Wait and see what exactly?
In you previous post you claimed that the company looking for concessions is BS. Did you not?

Not in this context. Wait and see. It'll be a "we got the pay and didn't have to give concessions even when they wanted them". 2 to 4 weeks.

06-10-2019 | 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dera

Not in this context. Wait and see. It'll be a "we got the pay and didn't have to give concessions even when they wanted them". 2 to 4 weeks.

Yes, the idea is to get a substantial payraise and not give anything up.
Do you have a point to make?

06-10-2019 | 08:09 PM

#589

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Originally Posted by BigZ

Yes, the idea is to get a substantial payraise and not give anything up.
Do you have a point to make?

Actually, the idea is to get better work rules with the pay. The company wants to advertise better pay rates, having those lower than competitors is bad for recruiting.

However, our real need is in the work rules. Soft pay, duty rigs, min day pay, reserve rules, pay protection, etc. Those are the things that will actually put more money in our pockets and improve QOL. But the new guys showing up to class don't know what those things mean.

Just changing the hourly rate doesn't cost the company that much. Paying guys 4 hours for every lost day and similar work rules at other regionals would be a huge win for this pilot group. I will be disappointed if we only get a simple pay raise.