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Old 10-22-2018 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup
If they ever what to make more than 42 bucks a hour they better be upset. A lot of FO’s have families and even though their wife/husband may work, majority want to stop paying for child care or maybe they have in laws willing to raise their kids if so more power to them sitting on there ass at the house while there wife/husband goes to work but can’t leave the kids with him/her because he/she may get called for a trip.


Our profession is unique in this aspect. Our work rules are critically important for these reasons,. Crappy QOL drove pilots away from applying regional, or just quit (Comair by Delta + Comair II threat by AA/Eagle).

If the status quo of the past from mainline or regional executives were to resurface, the enormous gains from qualified pilots RE-ENTERING the industry over the past 2-3 yrs will reverse with a mass exodus like never before seen. Not even in a recession will regionals risk rolling back work rules.

With looming mainline retirements, I think regionals can do a lot more to increase QOL work rules, recruiting more on the fence back into this profession. All without terrifying “shareholders” when they hear about pay raises at AAG WO. These shareholders AAG tries so hard to please are honestly just short term day traders, option traders, high volume trading highly volatile institutions, that call themselves “investors.”

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Old 10-22-2018 | 08:24 AM
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Well said Silent Lurker. I am a red blooded capitalist at heart but the short term speculative trading is killing our economy. “Investors” focus on quick gains and as such, executives want to juice quarterly profits by focusing on quick things rather than focusing on long sustain growth.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ParkingatMIA
Why are you opposed to better working conditions?
Not opposed, Regionals are just a step to get into the majors. I really doubt that anyone goals is to retire on X Regional.

Those old farts you see around here are either rejects or they have skeletons in their closet.

Anyone with a 20 plus yr seniority should be embarrassed.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Not opposed, Regionals are just a step to get into the majors. I really doubt that anyone goals is to retire on X Regional.

Those old farts you see around here are either rejects or they have skeletons in their closet.

Anyone with a 20 plus yr seniority should be embarrassed.
Im not one of them, but I do know that it's not that simple. At one point, to flow, they were faced with taking a quite substantial pay cut. For guys with families and kids in college and such, taking a pay cut like that was just not possible. Some of the guys, yes that statement applies, but for a lot, they just got stuck in a bad place.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Not opposed, Regionals are just a step to get into the majors. I really doubt that anyone goals is to retire on X Regional.



Those old farts you see around here are either rejects or they have skeletons in their closet.



Anyone with a 20 plus yr seniority should be embarrassed.


I think this is just a very ignorant point of view.

For [MENTION=67502]E175 Driver[/MENTION] to unilaterally state *anyone* with a 20+ seniority here should be embarrassed. It’s not black and white like that. For many of those senior folks, it indeed was luck of the draw then likely a hard decision to decide to ride it out here.
Their union leadership at the time provided gross salary calculations to them (based on APA rates at the time), that later turned out to be incorrect (looking at subsequent changes that occurred). Remember people make decisions based on the information they have at that time.
Hindsight........

Yea some indeed should have moved on. But many were just at a juncture that staying was very likely their best course of action.

My ride here for what is almost 24 months has been fantastic with no complaints, this is coming from a CRJ driver that lives in chi town.


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Old 10-22-2018 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver

Anyone with a 20 plus yr seniority should be embarrassed.
So much maturity, life experience and knowledge in such a statement. Hope it never bites back.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Anyone with a 20 plus yr seniority should be embarrassed.
Indeed that is pretty ignorant. Abviously someone who wasn't around during the "lost decade" and hasn't experienced YET any of the bad things that usually happens during an airline pilot's career.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye0914
Im not one of them, but I do know that it's not that simple. At one point, to flow, they were faced with taking a quite substantial pay cut. For guys with families and kids in college and such, taking a pay cut like that was just not possible. Some of the guys, yes that statement applies, but for a lot, they just got stuck in a bad place.
Thats a bunch of BS. They could easily have saved some for that hit, and live within their means only for one yr.

By second yr Im betting they would've made more than they ever did here. But oh well, they will retire happily flying 5 legs a day.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JetMonkey
Indeed that is pretty ignorant. Abviously someone who wasn't around during the "lost decade" and hasn't experienced YET any of the bad things that usually happens during an airline pilot's career.
Not the case these days. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Old 10-22-2018 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Not the case these days.
Don't be daft. I remember being under such infantile delusions at age twenty-one on 9/10/2001 whilst flying busted-up piston twins as slave labor.

Only fools, religious nutbags, and children are credulous-enough to believe we're at the end of history.
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