If you look back through my post history you'll find a gouge (not complete, but more detailed). However, I'll give you the highlights here:

My nemesis in that airplane was the single engine hand flown published missed approach. Had only flown one (on the mock checkride) after the instructor asked me if I'd done one and I said no, despite that checkbox being checked on my prior training records. In other words, it was an instructor mistake or oversight. But I don't want to harp on the instructors...they were all quite good.

After I botched the missed I elected to continue the checkride since I was more or less insulated from another failure for the duration. I then botched the V1 cut. Not a crash or anything...just a bank angle warning. We did a few more maneuvers and then ran out of time for that session.

I performed the botched maneuvers to standards on the recheck and then made another really stupid mistake on the second to last maneuver that I had made one other time in training. Can't really explain why I did it. Probably just task saturation / nerves.

For a GA pilot transitioning to a Jet with 0 turbine time I think I did pretty damn well, but they expect you to be essentially perfect with what I consider to be minimal training, and I accepted a long time ago I'm far from perfect. Knowing that has made me a safe pilot, but checkrides are pass/fail and there's nothing I can do about that other than ensure I train to proficiency.

The interesting news is my new company just upped the number of sims from 10 to 13 because (surprise, surprise) the washout rate was too high so I'll get more than enough sim time to polish my rough edges this time around. Sad that Republic had to toss me...I was actually looking forward to working for them long term as an instructor. Oh well.

 

Most of us were GA pilots transitioning to a jet for the first time and we did it in seven simulator sessions then did the MV in sim eight and the QLOE in sim nine. You’re not going to get a lot of sympathy here for not being able to do it. Being able to spread a training program out over thirteen sim sessions will be a tremendous benefit.

 

Resume fixing: Never tried to insinuate you did. Just saying bad resume is the only reason to value flow for a current hire. And I've yet to see a reason to change that stance.

Flow projections have never been 3 years for a new hire at Envoy... ever. They were lower a couple years ago than they are now though. If you don't know why it's different for different hire dates, you don't understand how it works.

There are reasons to come to Envoy. AA or bust is one of them. Resume issues is another, though I get the impression that 'fog a mirror' is no longer enough for Envoy. Flow is not one of the reasons to come here.

But Envoy keeps filling classes for that 9 year flow so some pilots are valuing it.

 

Far from it. It's a difficult seat to get. A lot of my friends who were more than qualified got the TBNT. Most ended up at Endeavor or Republic. All with turbine time and good resumes.

 

Isn’t Republic AQP for initial on the 175?

 

Not yet.

filler.

 

It's that 'guarantee' word that's getting me. Like it means something.

 

Can we all agree that double 121 practical test failure is definitely a reason to value the flow? I’d already be blocking alleys with a 145 over at Piedmont in your shoes. I know they had AQP on the Dash...

Actually, I’d rather be there myself, since I wound up on the east coast with a wasted year in a crappy jet anyway, lol

 

That falls into the category of 'unfixable resume issues' I mentioned prior. I don't say that to sound judgmental. But it does make getting hired to a major more difficult.

So yeah, I agree with that.

Fixable resume issues would be total time, turbine time, PIC time, volunteering and community involvement, level of education, etc.


And by resume, I really mean the totality of your application.

 

Back in 2016, I interviewed with envoy hoping to get into their cadet program, they said I couldn’t because I was working for a state flight school as a cfi. When I went, at the time they were in fact projecting 3 year flows for the current new hires. It has quite obviously since changed.

But like I said, flows may not be important to some, but it’s a nice thing for me. I don’t have any resume issues, no 121 failures, I have a 4 year degree, prior military, 141 asst chief/check instructor, haven’t even gotten so much as a speeding ticket in the past 15 years, not really anything negative on my resume. But I do live in central Texas, therefore a Texas based company is beneficial. Envoy to AA is preferred, but republic (no flow) and then maybe United is also a possibility.