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Old 12-16-2018 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Don't discount the LCCs. Jetblue, Spirit, Allegiant and now Frontier. Those options can provide you a quick exit from Envoy and boost your resume with recent training and an Airbus type.

I left for Allegiant primarily to have the ability to drive to work. I got hired there at the right time and moved to the left seat of the Bus right at the 1 year mark. I updated all of my apps weekly from that point and eventually received a call from Delta. They hired me and at that time I had a little over 400 121 PIC. All in the Bus at Allegiant.

My time at Envoy helped with the resume but I had planned to stay long term at Allegiant and never thought Delta would look at me so early. During the interview, they were impressed with the recency of my training. Initial at Allegiant in the Bus and upgrade 1 year later.

All that to say. Don't bank on this flow. And don't discount the LCCs. Once I had transitioned to Allegiant, the treatment of the pilot group was far more professional than anything I ever had at Envoy.
This is good advice. Everyone I know who got hired at a legacy went to an LCC before getting the call.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Eh?
There's quite a few Envoy guys going to AA outside the flow.
Not sure where you get that from, but actually no, it's quite a small number
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Old 12-16-2018 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Don't discount the LCCs. Jetblue, Spirit, Allegiant and now Frontier. Those options can provide you a quick exit from Envoy and boost your resume with recent training and an Airbus type.

I left for Allegiant primarily to have the ability to drive to work. I got hired there at the right time and moved to the left seat of the Bus right at the 1 year mark. I updated all of my apps weekly from that point and eventually received a call from Delta. They hired me and at that time I had a little over 400 121 PIC. All in the Bus at Allegiant.

My time at Envoy helped with the resume but I had planned to stay long term at Allegiant and never thought Delta would look at me so early. During the interview, they were impressed with the recency of my training. Initial at Allegiant in the Bus and upgrade 1 year later.

All that to say. Don't bank on this flow. And don't discount the LCCs. Once I had transitioned to Allegiant, the treatment of the pilot group was far more professional than anything I ever had at Envoy.
If you don’t mind me asking, how long did it take you to get to Delta? Assuming you started at Envoy? And what was you total time when you got to delta as well?
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Old 12-16-2018 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mketch11
If you don’t mind me asking, how long did it take you to get to Delta? Assuming you started at Envoy? And what was you total time when you got to delta as well?
Came to Envoy as a CFI only with 1600 hours. Slightly under 2 at Envoy, slightly under 2 at Allegiant. Hired at Delta a little over 4k. 4 year. Habitat for Humanity on the res. Volunteered on safety committee at Allegiant as well.

Best thing about moving to an LCC is big time improvement in QOL and large pay bump from Envoy. Getting "stuck" there wouldn't have been the end of the world.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Came to Envoy as a CFI only with 1600 hours. Slightly under 2 at Envoy, slightly under 2 at Allegiant. Hired at Delta a little over 4k. 4 year. Habitat for Humanity on the res. Volunteered on safety committee at Allegiant as well.

Best thing about moving to an LCC is big time improvement in QOL and large pay bump from Envoy. Getting "stuck" there wouldn't have been the end of the world.
Thanks for sharing. I’m in a similar situation at the 2 year mark and I also applied to allegiant a while back. If I knew I could be at delta in 4 years instead of American in 5, I would make the jump. But my luck I’d be the one who gets stuck and regretting it down the road. High risk/high reward. Perhaps too high for me at this point.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rakk6
If he did get picked up by AA, then E175Driver got picked up without 121 PIC time and relatively short time in 121 world. My belief was that this is not common. Anyone else know of someone with same/similar experience getting to a legacy carrier without 121 PIC time? If so, what's the magic formula?
I do have 121 PIC since I upgraded on the E145. Network my butt off and met the right people at the right time(jumpseat) helped tons.

4 yr degree from THE ERAU seal the deal.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
Not sure where you get that from, but actually no, it's quite a small number
Just under 20 and trending higher. It's not an insignificant number. Getting close to 10% of flows.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Just under 20 and trending higher. It's not an insignificant number. Getting close to 10% of flows.
Not insignificant, but barely 2% of what American hired for the year. And what that number and the union number don’t show is what the background of the guys being picked up outside the flow is. Most should have never been at Envoy. Usually military with a lack of recency. Some have “other attributes” that no one but God had control of. And I still think E175’s daddy is at AA.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Just under 20 and trending higher. It's not an insignificant number. Getting close to 10% of flows.
That's 2% of the hiring for 2018. I wouldn't call it significant.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Just under 20 and trending higher. It's not an insignificant number. Getting close to 10% of flows.
It's barely 1% of our pilot group in the last 2 years. I'd call that insignificant.
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