New PSA Pilot Pay Agreement
#81
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LMAO!
PSA Sucks, they stole our aircraft, agreed to pay caps, and they're bringing down the whole industry, STOP THE WHIPSAW!!
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PSA is now getting paid way more than us and faster flow and SAP, STOP THE WHIPSAW!!
And you clearly have no idea how ALPA as a whole works. And Teamsters has Stewards, ALPA has Status Reps.
But don't worry, your ignorance won't prevent AA from eventually paying all the WO carriers a very similar amount, probably sooner rather than later. Do you actually think they're going to let their precious 175s go understaffed?
PSA Sucks, they stole our aircraft, agreed to pay caps, and they're bringing down the whole industry, STOP THE WHIPSAW!!
- or-
PSA is now getting paid way more than us and faster flow and SAP, STOP THE WHIPSAW!!
And you clearly have no idea how ALPA as a whole works. And Teamsters has Stewards, ALPA has Status Reps.
But don't worry, your ignorance won't prevent AA from eventually paying all the WO carriers a very similar amount, probably sooner rather than later. Do you actually think they're going to let their precious 175s go understaffed?
Stewardship - it has a real meaning, rather than just a title for the teamsters.
Lmao.
#82
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- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.
- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.
This shook out like so;
PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.
Here’s the most important part;
It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
#83
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Paraphrasing from a reliable source;
- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.
- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.
This shook out like so;
PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.
Here’s the most important part;
It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.
- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.
This shook out like so;
PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.
Here’s the most important part;
It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
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#86
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Definition of stewardship
1 : the office, duties, and obligations of a steward
2 : the conducting, supervising, or managing of something especially : the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care stewardship of natural resources
Last I checked, the PSA MEC just voted on an offer from the company that is about a $13 dollar raise for me, and didn't give up anything for it.
But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your keyboard warrior skillz.
Pretty ignorant if you ask me.
#87
Paraphrasing from a reliable source;
- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.
- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.
This shook out like so;
PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.
Here’s the most important part;
It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.
- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.
This shook out like so;
PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.
Here’s the most important part;
It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
With that being said your post is not correct... You do know that PSA MEC swapped the helm only 5 months ago right? Also we have had more communication and transparency in that small timeframe in form of direct MEC emails, pilot base rep meetings, phone call conferences and LOAs being published, MEC directory published from ALL reps and groups... this is the attitude of or new MEC which has been surprising all of us.. if you’re also saying it’s to prevent add ons etc... the company has tried to throw away the power of SAP and bring in PBS talks for a long while, we didn’t give any of that up with the pay rates.. I do believe that some other things will happen throughout the rest of the year, but the bargaining power hasn’t been compromised at all just for rates. That’s where your statements don’t make any sense whatsoever, in fact it sounds uneducated to the recent events.
I hope you guys hear the positive progression you deserve soon.
#89
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This is the least useful and untrue post in this thread right now... as much as this has been a surprise for our pilot group at PSA obviously we are happy about it and we are sincerely hoping it boosts the regional industry into broader and progressive negotiations.. particularly for our AA WO sister companies that deserve this as much as anyone else flying metal..
With that being said your post is not correct... You do know that PSA MEC swapped the helm only 5 months ago right? Also we have had more communication and transparency in that small timeframe in form of direct MEC emails, pilot base rep meetings, phone call conferences and LOAs being published, MEC directory published from ALL reps and groups... this is the attitude of or new MEC which has been surprising all of us.. if you’re also saying it’s to prevent add ons etc... the company has tried to throw away the power of SAP and bring in PBS talks for a long while, we didn’t give any of that up with the pay rates.. I do believe that some other things will happen throughout the rest of the year, but the bargaining power hasn’t been compromised at all just for rates. That’s where your statements don’t make any sense whatsoever, in fact it sounds uneducated to the recent events.
I hope you guys hear the positive progression you deserve soon.
With that being said your post is not correct... You do know that PSA MEC swapped the helm only 5 months ago right? Also we have had more communication and transparency in that small timeframe in form of direct MEC emails, pilot base rep meetings, phone call conferences and LOAs being published, MEC directory published from ALL reps and groups... this is the attitude of or new MEC which has been surprising all of us.. if you’re also saying it’s to prevent add ons etc... the company has tried to throw away the power of SAP and bring in PBS talks for a long while, we didn’t give any of that up with the pay rates.. I do believe that some other things will happen throughout the rest of the year, but the bargaining power hasn’t been compromised at all just for rates. That’s where your statements don’t make any sense whatsoever, in fact it sounds uneducated to the recent events.
I hope you guys hear the positive progression you deserve soon.
#90
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Pattern Bargaining is the process of individual pilot groups leap frogging each other based on the gains that a given pilot group has gotten. If AA's true goal was minimizing that process they would've engaged each MEC in NDAs, etc, at the same time, not sequentially.
What their overall game plan is I don't know, but I'd wager an hour of my new raise that you'll soon see ENY and PDT get similar offers with no strings attached. It makes ZERO sense to cripple the hiring of two of your three WO carriers by just giving one of them a raise.
Regardless, I don't see any WO carrier making significant monetary gains above what PSA has, simply because of the fact that flow has value, as I've heard our union math nerd say.
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