Envoy in base or PSA as a commuter???
05-09-2019 | 09:09 AM
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I enjoy a good debate. Don’t get me started on politics.
But this is getting exhausting. I’m out. Good luck when AAG comes to you after Piedmont. Don’t let the industry down. It will affect all of us. Peace.
But this is getting exhausting. I’m out. Good luck when AAG comes to you after Piedmont. Don’t let the industry down. It will affect all of us. Peace.
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05-09-2019 | 01:30 PM
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Your history on what PSA did is completely wrong as proven by other's mainly Cujo. You’re just rationalizing what happened
05-09-2019 | 03:08 PM
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Are other things in the contract being worked on besides the pay? Would you go to Envoy (pay raised to psa rates) or Republic? Recently got the pre-conditional offer and I'm having a hard time deciding.
I heard some applicants were given aircraft assignment as soon as the drug testing and firgerprints were done. Is this true?
Any input would be appreciated.
I heard some applicants were given aircraft assignment as soon as the drug testing and firgerprints were done. Is this true?
Any input would be appreciated.
05-09-2019 | 03:24 PM
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No one knows what's being negotiated. No you will not get an aircraft assignment until day one of indoc
05-09-2019 | 05:13 PM
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I also never said you guys will take actual concessions. PSA just got a raise for nothing in return. Its just a matter of time before Piedmont and Envoy get the same offer. What I was saying is that you guys should be able to do better than managements first offer with the leverage you guy’s claim you have. I don’t want to go any further than that because I’m sure everyone is tired of reading all of this nonsense, but if you or anybody else want to continue the debate i would be more than happy to do so if you want to PM me and If we ever cross paths I’d also be more than happy to buy you a beer at the overnight or a Starbucks in the airport.
05-09-2019 | 06:01 PM
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Are other things in the contract being worked on besides the pay? Would you go to Envoy (pay raised to psa rates) or Republic? Recently got the pre-conditional offer and I'm having a hard time deciding.
I heard some applicants were given aircraft assignment as soon as the drug testing and firgerprints were done. Is this true?
Any input would be appreciated.
I heard some applicants were given aircraft assignment as soon as the drug testing and firgerprints were done. Is this true?
Any input would be appreciated.
05-10-2019 | 03:12 AM
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Whipsaw has been around since the beginning of the commuter and regional airlines, and it will continue to exist until regionals cease to exist... if they ever do. AAG would have easily shutdown or downsized PSA if they wanted to. To think they wouldn’t is nonsense. Just like they will do with Piedmont now if they don’t play ball. That, or a merge or they’ll just increase the bonuses. Piedmont will not get more than what’s already offered.
You guys are thinking with a pilot mindset and not a business mindset. Pilots don’t run airlines. Management does. They’re goal is to run as cheaply as possible and to not let one contractor start calling the shots and show the others that they don’t have to take the first offer. We’re wholly owneds for crying out loud. AAG makes more money off of us than anyone else since they keep all the profits. So why do you think they keep the others around? To keep costs low. They’ll shift flying around as they please if someone starts getting out of line.
I’ll agree that I don’t think you’ll be taking concessions this time around. But that doesn’t mean you have “leverage”. We have leverage in the sense that the current pilot market demands higher pay. The “leverage” you guys are referring to is that we don’t have to accept management’s first offer, their threats, or what they already calculated and budgeted for what they’re willing to give us. So again, prove the PSA backstabbers wrong. If you guys can’t get Endeavor rates, and/or match us but with a flow increase and QOL improvements then it’s just proof you’ve been blaming PSA with nothing to back up your claims for the last 6 years.
You guys are thinking with a pilot mindset and not a business mindset. Pilots don’t run airlines. Management does. They’re goal is to run as cheaply as possible and to not let one contractor start calling the shots and show the others that they don’t have to take the first offer. We’re wholly owneds for crying out loud. AAG makes more money off of us than anyone else since they keep all the profits. So why do you think they keep the others around? To keep costs low. They’ll shift flying around as they please if someone starts getting out of line.
I’ll agree that I don’t think you’ll be taking concessions this time around. But that doesn’t mean you have “leverage”. We have leverage in the sense that the current pilot market demands higher pay. The “leverage” you guys are referring to is that we don’t have to accept management’s first offer, their threats, or what they already calculated and budgeted for what they’re willing to give us. So again, prove the PSA backstabbers wrong. If you guys can’t get Endeavor rates, and/or match us but with a flow increase and QOL improvements then it’s just proof you’ve been blaming PSA with nothing to back up your claims for the last 6 years.
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