Envoy in base or PSA as a commuter???
#21
Envoy if you want to sit at home and get paid for 72 hours until you flow to AA in 8 years.
Skywest if you want to fly more and make more money and try to go to any other major by traditional hiring methods.
Mesa if you want to fly a lot more to make more money and you have no soul.
Skywest if you want to fly more and make more money and try to go to any other major by traditional hiring methods.
Mesa if you want to fly a lot more to make more money and you have no soul.
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2015
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Who says I went to riddle or work for envoy? Lemme guess the next line you'll have is, "you must be a joy to fly with." Given that you couldn't even use comprehension correctly makes me think you don't really know what cherry picking is. You were told the "fact" but chose not to put it into context and leave key parts out of the big picture to push your narrative. The theme of this thread is to help this guy out. I've had first hand experience commuting out of DFW/DAL to DCA for PSA. I've offered my take, and considering DCA is junior, he could likely hold it quick and make the commute (but be on reserve for awhile). You're here to apparently pump up envoy and give him some BS line about how envoy is the, "crown jewel premier regional." Its just as big of a dumpster fire as the rest, maybe more. He could take a slot at envoy and get to class and they'll only be hiring into the 145 and be screwed having to make a difficult commute to ORD, LGA, or MIA for a long time. Moral of the story is help this guy out, give him all the facts.
#23
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Joined: Mar 2017
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Who says I went to riddle or work for envoy? Lemme guess the next line you'll have is, "you must be a joy to fly with." Given that you couldn't even use comprehension correctly makes me think you don't really know what cherry picking is. You were told the "fact" but chose not to put it into context and leave key parts out of the big picture to push your narrative. The theme of this thread is to help this guy out. I've had first hand experience commuting out of DFW/DAL to DCA for PSA. I've offered my take, and considering DCA is junior, he could likely hold it quick and make the commute (but be on reserve for awhile). You're here to apparently pump up envoy and give him some BS line about how envoy is the, "crown jewel premier regional." Its just as big of a dumpster fire as the rest, maybe more. He could take a slot at envoy and get to class and they'll only be hiring into the 145 and be screwed having to make a difficult commute to ORD, LGA, or MIA for a long time. Moral of the story is help this guy out, give him all the facts.
#24
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Joined: Apr 2019
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Envoy if you want to sit at home and get paid for 72 hours until you flow to AA in 8 years.
Skywest if you want to fly more and make more money and try to go to any other major by traditional hiring methods.
Mesa if you want to fly a lot more to make more money and you have no soul.
Skywest if you want to fly more and make more money and try to go to any other major by traditional hiring methods.
Mesa if you want to fly a lot more to make more money and you have no soul.
#28
Lol. Scab has an actual meaning in a unionized industry. A very specific meaning. PSA isn’t even close. Say what you will about PSA pilots, we aren’t scabs. And by using that term so freely you take a lot away from it’s true meaning.
So let me get this straight... PSA narrowly votes in a concessionary contract in 2013 after twice telling USAir no. PSA being a 500 pilot mini-regional at that time is told that if you vote no again we will get rid of your flying and wind you down fast. Which given what we know now is 100% believable. PSA votes yes and included in this new TA is the SAP (industry leading QOL) and growth in the form of CRJ900s originally slated for Eagle (which was unknown at that time). Eagle tell AAG no 3 times and Doug Parker and Co start giving away your flying and closing bases.
Then AAG announces in 2015 that they are going to transfer the Eagle CRJ700s to PSA. More hatred for PSA despite the fact that this had zero to do with PSA pilots. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and PSA gets a raise and all of a sudden the anger and vitriol spills over again all because we got a raise and you didn’t. Again, how is this PSA pilots fault? We raised the bar. Please, exceed it. We’ll be happy for you.
So let me get this straight... PSA narrowly votes in a concessionary contract in 2013 after twice telling USAir no. PSA being a 500 pilot mini-regional at that time is told that if you vote no again we will get rid of your flying and wind you down fast. Which given what we know now is 100% believable. PSA votes yes and included in this new TA is the SAP (industry leading QOL) and growth in the form of CRJ900s originally slated for Eagle (which was unknown at that time). Eagle tell AAG no 3 times and Doug Parker and Co start giving away your flying and closing bases.
Then AAG announces in 2015 that they are going to transfer the Eagle CRJ700s to PSA. More hatred for PSA despite the fact that this had zero to do with PSA pilots. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and PSA gets a raise and all of a sudden the anger and vitriol spills over again all because we got a raise and you didn’t. Again, how is this PSA pilots fault? We raised the bar. Please, exceed it. We’ll be happy for you.
#29
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Joined: May 2018
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Lol. Scab has an actual meaning in a unionized industry. A very specific meaning. PSA isn’t even close. Say what you will about PSA pilots, we aren’t scabs. And by using that term so freely you take a lot away from it’s true meaning.
So let me get this straight... PSA narrowly votes in a concessionary contract in 2013 after twice telling USAir no. PSA being a 500 pilot mini-regional at that time is told that if you vote no again we will get rid of your flying and wind you down fast. Which given what we know now is 100% believable. PSA votes yes and included in this new TA is the SAP (industry leading QOL) and growth in the form of CRJ900s originally slated for Eagle (which was unknown at that time). Eagle tell AAG no 3 times and Doug Parker and Co start giving away your flying and closing bases.
Then AAG announces in 2015 that they are going to transfer the Eagle CRJ700s to PSA. More hatred for PSA despite the fact that this had zero to do with PSA pilots. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and PSA gets a raise and all of a sudden the anger and vitriol spills over again all because we got a raise and you didn’t. Again, how is this PSA pilots fault? We raised the bar. Please, exceed it. We’ll be happy for you.
So let me get this straight... PSA narrowly votes in a concessionary contract in 2013 after twice telling USAir no. PSA being a 500 pilot mini-regional at that time is told that if you vote no again we will get rid of your flying and wind you down fast. Which given what we know now is 100% believable. PSA votes yes and included in this new TA is the SAP (industry leading QOL) and growth in the form of CRJ900s originally slated for Eagle (which was unknown at that time). Eagle tell AAG no 3 times and Doug Parker and Co start giving away your flying and closing bases.
Then AAG announces in 2015 that they are going to transfer the Eagle CRJ700s to PSA. More hatred for PSA despite the fact that this had zero to do with PSA pilots. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and PSA gets a raise and all of a sudden the anger and vitriol spills over again all because we got a raise and you didn’t. Again, how is this PSA pilots fault? We raised the bar. Please, exceed it. We’ll be happy for you.
HOWEVER... you do claim PSA pilots (in the past) have had no fault on PSA’s current state and then you go on saying “We raised the bar, please exceed it.”
YOU (yourself, your pilot group and your MEC) raised nothing. You literally woke up one day and (out of the kindness perhaps?) of management you got raised. You did not picket, you did not strike, you did not negotiate.
So please let our MEC and us do our part in raising the bar even further. Who knows, maybe you will be the ones meeting us there in the future.
#30
I do agree with most of your statement. I have flown with guys who talk $#!7 about PSA and when I ask them how long they have been around the vast majority has not been here for more than a year and it’s their first airline. I think that is pretty dumb.
HOWEVER... you do claim PSA pilots (in the past) have had no fault on PSA’s current state and then you go on saying “We raised the bar, please exceed it.”
YOU (yourself, your pilot group and your MEC) raised nothing. You literally woke up one day and (out of the kindness perhaps?) of management you got raised. You did not picket, you did not strike, you did not negotiate.
So please let our MEC and us do our part in raising the bar even further. Who knows, maybe you will be the ones meeting us there in the future.
HOWEVER... you do claim PSA pilots (in the past) have had no fault on PSA’s current state and then you go on saying “We raised the bar, please exceed it.”
YOU (yourself, your pilot group and your MEC) raised nothing. You literally woke up one day and (out of the kindness perhaps?) of management you got raised. You did not picket, you did not strike, you did not negotiate.
So please let our MEC and us do our part in raising the bar even further. Who knows, maybe you will be the ones meeting us there in the future.
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